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Details to follow guys.
John.

I had a very similiar Youngs - I know the model name - mine had slightly different detailing and fork crown.
John.

Will do more/better photos guys, feedback appreciated.
John.

Here's John's Bill Build; my 1975 Bill Philbrook touring frameset currently being readied for the coming spring and summer. The original paint had gone matt after years of storage so I had it repainted in Ford Arizona Gold - Dad had a Granada in this colour. Frame built lugless with this unusual hybrid headtube/headset treatment, and built for direct mount Mafac cantilevers and one set of non-invasive (Philbrook trademark) bottle bosses.
Hope you like it: Philbrooks are few in number.
John

Pm'd
John.

Sadly not an exact science but I don't think it is a 1984 frame - I think it's April 1978, as Roberts changed frame numbering to six digits sometime after 1979 - that was the year Chas took over.

Tricky, which Roberts frame numbering can be: post 1979 they - apparently - changed to a six digit numbering system but deviated from that when building frames for the trade ! Five digits would suggest pre 1979...I think it is early and a Penge frame but sticking my neck out. My two early frames have three digit numbers and are Sydenham frames.

You may be right there, I was going to suggest you strip off the paint in a few key areas...frame archaeology so to speak !

Cat and pigeons spring to mind ! I've not seen a Roberts number like that - i.e large numerals, and not in the same position as it is on mine. Roberts stamps, early and late, tend to be small numerals: where's my thinking cap ? Re the brake cable brazings, you never know original customer may have specified not to have them. Late frames, like my fillet brazed one tend to have a sleeve type braze on, one under each end of the top tube leaving a bare wire between.

For me what makes it look early-ish is the lack of brake cable braze ones on the tt. You say you only have a number on the steerer - Roberts frame numbers are either on the BB or rear dropout (and of course on the steerer).
Btw, that style of seat stay is called shot in, a better picture would help.

Mine will be a period build simply because I have the components, I only say yours looks earlier as I know a fair bit about Roberts (I didn't say it is earlier).

Plan with the fillet brazed frame is for Winston to restore/repaint in pale green pearl (original colour) with period (80s) C-Record - have all the components + rare dark green San Marco Rolls, Cinelli, Mavic rims. The early frame will go to Geoff (Roberts) as his Dad built it. I see your F/B frame is earlier than mine - to me, it looks earlier than the frame number suggests !

Currently have two Roberts about to be restored/built: first being a very early Charlie Roberts race frame, the second being a Chas Roberts (Winston Vaz build) fillet brazed fastroad/Audax frame. I also have two other Roberts, one tourer (riding it but needs love) and another very early frameset.

Allin, Geoffrey Butler & Roberts were all my LBSs/framebuilders.

I'd like to take it on if unsold.

Cheers, John.

P.S in Islington

#3881 is a post 1976 frame built in Roberts in Penge, that address should be on the headtube.
The blue frame looks to be earlier (perhaps a Sydenham frame).
Thought Roberts records were lost.
Jon.

This frameset, #150 is a Charlie Roberts (Chas & Geoff's Dad) frame and was built during the Sydenham period - before Anerley and Croydon.
I have two early Roberts, both before #150, others have commented on #150s modifications and I'm sure they are correct - later than the frameset.
Jon.

What's wrong ? I asked for a mod to delete, pissed off by the some of the folk on this forum. I'm not selling the Yates here - people buy people first - so here I am risking a ton of abuse by giving the specifications:

1. Dave Yates tourer (2002, have confirmation from DY) ST = 51cms, TT = 56cms, this is a sloping top tube lugless frameset in mint metallic blue condition (1000kms @ most from new)
   
2. Shimano 8 speed transmission (rd, fd, shifters & cassette)
   
3. Ofemga Alpine (rare) triple chainset
   
4. Avid cantilever brakes
   
5. Shimano Sora hubs and EXE rims (700x28 tyres currently fitted)
   
6. Cane Creek aheadset
   
7. ITM stem and Cinelli 'bar
   
8. Campagnolo Chorus brake levers
   
9. SPD pedals (generic)
   
10. Kalloy seatpost
    
11. Brookes Pro saddle (not included) but decent saddle included.
    
    

It is mint, and a good price at £350. I'm off now.

Some odious folk on this forum.

Can a mod delete this, posting pics on this forum is so counter-intuitive I haven't the patience.

I shouldn't have bothered.

Top bloke David Millar.

Jon.

Yes,

inches boy. Charlie Roberts built it in inches so that's the size.

Jon.

Deleted-see first post.

I'll not be posting pics of this frameset to LFGSS.
Thanks, Jon.