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Peter-excellent racer

what is top tube length?

Is seat tube 58 ctc or ctt? What is top tube?

the Batavus coming my way is more my size

Beautiful bike Erik!

Hi
Thanks for the imput. My interest generally lies in the vintage bike say 60's to mid 80's say the smaller brands. I presume you are talking about that vintage when you say "criterium style" vs more modern which seems often to be referred to as a "stage race" geometry.

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No, they almost have nothing in common.
Or maybe a certain number of them do.
Mainly no-nonsense road bikes, very little decoration, no extreme focus on lightweight, policy = reliability.
Of course, there are exceptions.

O yeah, The Netherlands has a reputation for criterium riding (almost same as UK), 1 to 2 km courses with 4 to 100,000 corners per lap.
So, the frames tend to be a bit short, steep and high BB.

Typically frame sizes go up to 66cm and sometimes more.

Talking about modern bikes: no, these are designed, engineered and produced far, far away.
So, no difference with all other bikes.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Nice looking bike!

thanks

understandably bikes vary in their handling based on a number of factors. However do dutch racing bikes have certain characteristics in common as far as the way they ride?

Nice bike! Did it sell?

Hi Errol

I just wanted to make sure you got my message that I am interested. No big hurry in sending the info and the photos but just let me know and I will put my search on hold for now.

Thanks
Arol

complete bicycle in good condition 22.5-23"

would you ship?

fine Gillott but too small!

nice looking! Why refinish?

an example example of a quality Japanese bicycle!