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"urban shopping bike"? :-)

Pair of Mavic Classics Pro hubs, 32 sp front and rear, Campag sprockets, came from a pair of Classics Pro wheels. Used. Gbp 25 + postage and insurance from Holland.

oh, sorry, found it.. http://static.lfgss.com/attachments/30788d1284487928-dsc_1308.jpg

from bike porn, i understand.. tut-tut

plus, You`ve been on the forum for 6 days and you are going all out on being a dickhead.. Why?

Please feel free to comment.

show us yours then, if that is so"pitiful" as you say..

Why would I do that?

To explain: the frame is in tatters and not something special, the components are nothing special either but some might be worth something to someone, the bike as a whole looks disjointed and therefore "pitiful".

As a shopping bike (plus mudguards and luggage rack, preferably with shopping basket) it has a purpose. Bikes like these get abandoned and stolen every day around here.

Sorry.

Well not the whole bike...

• 1950s (?) Dawes Frame (55cm I think, but with an old school ridonkulos tt length)
  
• Seatpost
  
• Saddle
  
• stem
  
• crankset + peddals
  
• probably the bars and brake lever
  
• probably not the long drop brake
  
  

The Good:
Almost new smooth shimano BB
Almost new TA 1/8 chainring
Clearances to rock massive tyres and mudgaurds
120mm rear spacing
Sturdy frame, looks beaten, lovely patina, gives that brilliant stiff yet supple compliant direct energy transfer that only a steel frame with lazy geo can give

The Bad:
The headset is shit, but its been regreased and tbh how much to you care?

In summary once you've got wheels on it its an amazing bike. A joy to ride, probably the most perfect balance of function and form that has ever been.

Based on todays inflated prices offers starting around £200.

Pitiful; sorry.

I agree completely mdcc. When my 953 was built lugless failed miserably; too brittle. Lugs worked, and light it is; for a steel framed bike that is stiff in the right places.

I once lifted a steel framed bike weighing 5.5 kgs; almost threw it onto the ceiling. Didn't ride it though...

1,000g;

That looks tig welded (and beautiful); does anyone do lugless brazing yet on 953?

Anyways, it's not the weight of the frame, it's the weight of the complete rideable bike, for an average (say 75 kgs) rider...

I doubt if you could get that under 7 kgs for a 953.

That's absolutely beautiful, and a fysio comes with it!

Anti Amsterdam

Light bike? 953 lugged, carbon front and back goes down to 7.9 kgs. No pic. I agree that quality and weight of tubing/frameset should be matched by the components to make a really lovely bike.

Rini Wagtmans was team manager of the Union amateur squad and asked his friend Motta to supply a couple of nice frames sets with Union decals.
Complete campagnolo equipped Union/Columbus bikes go for EUR 25.- to EUR 50.- nowadays.

Free bump for John's Cornelo...

Thanks for enlightening me! Free bump indeed.

...while "everybody" claims that it was made at Gianni Motta...
However, the Union was in the same catalogue as Colnago, since Unikap was the Colnago agent.

Yeah well, sorry, I've always assumed it was made by Colnago, as it was in the same catalogue and looked similarly made. Can't say for sure though.

Was there a R Wagtmans connection?

Sorry to hijack; hope the Cornelo gets sold for a good price.

Long time ago (mid-to-late-seventies) there was a Union frameset, made by Colnago. Wasn't that the Rini Wagtmans connection? Oh well...

There's no such thing as a finished project.

That's a thought that's both comforting and worrying... but you're right.

I know, but your set up was too good for me to miss the punch line.

Proper answer:
Current Projects

Thought so and "projects" includes finished projects then?

it's probably already been said, but try and come along to a ride or beers or something and you'll realise we may be cunts, but we're friendly cunts. The sense of humour on this site takes a little bit to adjust to as well.

Wouldn't I like to. I live in Amsterdam and have 4 bikes standing in my living room (yes, all R's...), and don't ride them enough. Don't ask why.

You're all welcome in Amsterdam anyway (and bring yer bikes...). My local http://www.brouwerijhetij.nl/ is not too bad; I'll buy you a beer.

Just telling it how i see it.

I know and I appreciate that. Most of you sound to be from London-ish; not too peasant-ish :-)

You sound like a bloke people love hitting in the face when they've had a few.
Sry to tell you what you already know and have probably already experienced.
Sry for not using more sophisticated words.
we are just peasants , sry for that too.

Lighten up Dylan; I do too. It's not all that important. As I've said to Chainbreaker, it's a good site. I'll get along.

It happens here as it happens in the real world im afraid.
Take it on the chin. The guys here are a lot of fun. This is the internet but that said, this place is worth playing in.
Stick around, youll learn fast enough as long as you dont fight it too much:-)

Thanks again. We'll see how it goes. I've been told I'm an argumentative bastard as long as I can remember, not going to change much now. I'll take it on the chin but not without replying.

This is an interesting forum; I hadn't realised it had branched out beyond the original fg/ss/polo bike sort of stuff.

I stand corrected. On closer inspection of the Assos pics, they appear to have some form of "head tube lug" too, which I associated with steel in Gisiger's pic. Down tube appears roughly similar too.

Good call, bars and dropouts match, and Gisiger being Swiss would likely have had links with Assos even though his clothes say LeJeune
http://gs-guccilife.blogspot.com/2010/01/bring-it.html

Right, thanks, that was the visual association my memory served up. Looks like a lugged steel frame though, not carbon. Could be anything.

Tony Doyle's '85/'86 Eddy Merckx branded pursuit frame was built by Chas Roberts, for example. Pretty common then.

OK, MikeF4Black... Seems there is a mis communication problem here...
As this is the porn thread it is looked down apon anyone who posts their own bike here. As lovely as it might be, it is the readers choice as to whether something is lovely or not.
Think of it as a child. You will always think your child is lovely when everyone else think its ugly as sin. So the un written rule is, do not post your bike here, ever. For Fear Of Ridicule... FFOR!

Piece out

I've learnt that; thanks for reminding and I'll keep it in mind. Galleries I suppose (not in the rules).

I'm not too fond of the uncalled for abuse by some. But that's probably a personal thing.

This is not the time, or the place, Jonge.

Ik ben oud...

Allright then: http://milano3v.com/gallery/

And don't get me started on Tommasini :-)

stop been so fucking pompous and put a foocking pic of that bikes, you and your halo of secrecy, exclusiveness and snobbery

Too many difficult words for me there, and I'm lazy so I was hoping someone else would go to the trouble of searching the net.

I visited Alberto's workshop in the Vigorelli years ago; impressive workmanlike outfit. One old man and a boy that was sweeping the floor.

You want to hear about Peter Serier?