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It's a lovely saddle (as long as you don't chafe it when falling off... :-) ); really durable and comfortable (and good looking), though I prefer the Max version of the same model.

Saddle sold to BigTwin. Ducati eh? :-)

This is the one: http://www.mtbr.com/cat/controls/saddle/selle-italia/flite-genuine-gel-ti-rail/PRD_415795_140crx.aspx

Titanium rails as well!

It says so on the saddle (could show you if my uploading were successful). It's a Flite iteration with a bit more padding (not as much as the Max, which also has a form of elastomer damping) and heavy decorative stitching to make it less slippery, a common complaint vs the original Flite.

I bought two, years ago, and replaced one with a special edition black Max, name embroidered... (green smiley...), so one red Flite is surplus to requirements.

Red Selle Italia Flite genuine gel saddle, used but (amazingly) never crashed, good condition; 20 Gbp incl postage to UK.* SOLD*

Time Atac XS mtb pedals, 8 months old, hardly used, Gbp 40 incl postage to UK.

Was trying to upload the pics, but failed. Can anyone help? File size etc seems allright.

Nice! Peter Serier's trademark capping of the seatstays!

Will take a while. Must dig deep into my "archive"and scan it.

Free bump for Mel's Duell...
Hate the position of the decal on the LH fork blade (talking about deails) ;-)
Surprised that a c/s bridge is missing. I know that the effect (pos/neg) of such a bridge is doubtful...

If you look at steel bottombracket shells now, designed for glueing in wishbone carbon fibre chainstays, you might wonder how we did it in the old days, when we were a lot stronger...

I have a pictures from myself riding next to him, "Omloop door het Land van Bartje" 1980, we're from the same generation.

This post is no good without those pics.... :-)

I started racing in 1981(on a Holdsworth with tubs); those were the days!

You spoke to Mr Serier? Cool. I never had the oppertunity to speak to him. Peter Serier is definately among my favorite Dutch builders. From what I've heard he had a background in fine mechanics and that extra eye for detail is absolutely visable in his frames through clever detail solutions, like for example the sophisticated seatclamp with extra slot and drilled ends under the clamp. I can really appreciate that. I have a fine ensemble of Serier frames, both Prestos and a Peka.

On the tubing: Tubesets like SL, SLX, TSX are earlier than Thron. All use Cyclex steel. Tubing like for example Max uses Nivachrom, a bit later and a step up when it was introduced. Thron is butted tubing >>> http://ceeway.com/Thron.htm It also doesn't feel like 'plain gauge'. Far from.

I visited Peter Serier's workshop in an old warehouse in Amsterdam, over twenty years ago I think. Didn't he move to Giant later? Anyway, he stopped building frames because he couldn't make a living out of that and now doesn't even want to talk about it.

Thanks for the lesson on Thron; I must've been misled on the net somewhere...

Did you post pics of your Presto's and Peka?

P.s.: my (twin) brother has a Rauler. Now that is something special :-)

I am going to approach this very seriously, because it is nice to eloborate on it a little.

Dutch tend to be pragmatic people. With their relationship to bikes it is no different. Already the Batavians were not very concerned with decorating pottery, axes and weapons. Function matters, no sissy things. Stuff has to do the job surprisingly well (given their no nonsense profile) or is worthless. The bike frame is a tool and this Duell is already showing quite some extravaganza with the paintjob (see also the other frames under the pic link) and especially the engraved autographs. How different it all was with the Romans or for example the Japanese empire - think of the sword of a Samurai knight. While with Italian stuff it sometimes acts as facade to cover up everything unpleasent more Italian products were notorious for, fine Japanese frames are usually sincerally nice. Opinion, no fact.

On the Thron tubing: Thron uses the same steel as SL or SLX, but benefits from new insights in tubing design. In the end, given the size and the purpose it was often used for (criteriums: 400 corners on small village roads), the package works really well. One should try it, to know it. A 320 gbp experiment, but it comes with a fine frame.

Thanks for the reply Ko! When I asked Peter Serier many, many years ago why didn't file the lugs of the frames he built he answered that Dutch customers weren't interested in that sort of thing. English framebuilders certainly took a different view, and filing lug ends was functional for them.

I looked up Thron to refresh my memory (I thought it was a step down from SLX/SPX/TSX) and found it's plain gauge. Is that correct? I never rode one so can't comment; always rode SP/SL, SPX/SLX, Max, etc etc.

As I said, it's a lovely frame!

Cheers!

P.s.: another memory: Jan van Dalen once told me he didn't use Dedacciai EOM 16.5 because he felt it was too light. Framebuilders are a curious sort! He now lives in Baarle Nassau, not in Hoek van Holland anymore, iirc, not far from my motorcycle dealer...

Thron? Lugs not filed? Lovely frame though.

Just want to tell the honest story. This bike has been made in the Venlo factory,
not saying it's a bad bike, it's just not hand build in the city center of Amsterdam.
But I personally do reckon RIH (Amsterdam) build bikes have the quality of other
master builders and do belong among the best.

Blerick... :-)

I'll rephrase/refine the question: a portable lock that doesn't defeat the purpose of a lightweight city bike and doesn't spoil its looks, whilst still providing reasonable protection.

The threads quoted didn't give that answer; I've had a lok at them

Klep (now 64) featured in a book (Helden "Heroes") on cycling heroes that hailed from Brabant. Just thought I'd quote it, and thank you for the translation!

So it's the real thing, and I'd leave the name on. I once climbed an Italian hill next to a guy that had "Ongarato" on his top tube. Wasn't Ongarato though :-)

Sorry if this is a repost, but how do you guys lock your bikes? What sort of locks do you use with your lightweight bikes, used in the city?

" Zo eindigt het verhaal over de inmiddels 63-jarige Dré Klep en zijn dochter Edith met: "Edith en Dré zijn twee bescheiden Brabantse mensen die zichzelf nooit heldhaftig zullen noemen. Dat mogen de lezers van Helden gerust weten. Bij deze.""

Viner... lovely too!

Hi guys,

I finally made my choice and bought the Bianchi Pista Via Brera this afternoon. It is really nice, but I bought a brown Brooks saddle and I would like to buy a bullhorn (and I will cover it with leather). i know that they are threads with bullhorns, but I did not find what I wanted to know: will bullhorn of the Charge Plug fit? I do not know what size of bullhorn to buy (I do not want it to be too large). could you help me?

Have you looked at Nitto and Profile Design, to name two brands of bullhorn bars?

Sorry again; pic didn't upload for some reason.

Try here http://fietsen-brommers.marktplaats.nl/fietsonderdelen/377225605-mavic-classics-ssc-naven-met-campagnolo-kransjes-cassette.html?return=eJw9yjkOgzAQAMC%2FUKT0qbXDWoinRD4WYXFZsKJB%2BXu6TD0RNT4VVbhQK8COSuVPZdrCzNxQypvO5Wi0iy2eC7c1Rr7Evsp%2FFG1uYy2D9d4YcApe%2BSg0GPA9gFU0TcmmbDW5lFOvQb1dNLZ04fsDH0InxQ%3D%3D&complete_editing=1

Now with pic; sorry about that. Spacings 100 front 130 rear; Campag cassette as mentioned included.

any pics??

Will do tonight.

Mike you are a twat, 3 night in a row you manage to get people against you
check what you do, there is something no right

Well, at least you got "educated" :-)

:) have your wine. I will not agree to your first post on this thread, but i will still find you a hypocrite (probably spelt wrong, sorry) and i do not hate you
Take it easy, chap!
All good

Tits and hypocrites; someone should write a song about it :-) All good.

He certainly made an effort!

all i`ve seen today is Mike being a tit across atleast two threads..
I´ll have some more cider and hope this thread will evolve into a friday night entertainment for the wednesday night..

If you want to pick a fight go ahead; I'm not in it. Have some more ciders; I'll finish my wine. I was just commenting, as others have done. You don't have to agree.