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I have done you a disservice, my apologies. Your site is sufficiently professional that on looking at it (very briefly, I honestly deliberately didn't spend long looking at your shelf as I didn't want a slavish copy) I thought you were one of the Stickley type companies.
And absolutely, walnut is a far more expensive lumber than pine. If you are making from solid walnut then that is going to bump your costs right up.
And...whilst I'm eating humble pie....hell of a photo for a friends garage!
O.K. Reason why I stepped in and offered to make these is because (check the thread in BikeRadar Commuting Chat Bike Shelf) a number of UK people, who like myself are regular contributors, saw your product and said effectively 'drool, really like, can't possibly afford' - including me.
There it is. I've nothing more to add.
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@Matty
Actually I agree, it looks better in a darker stain and lower profile. Can do.I have a plan for a similar unit using bent steel bar, railing finnials and a flying shelf which I think will look even better - I'll see about making the prototype on the weekend.
By the way though, part of the issue is that the photographs I took were in my livingroom with a casio, not in a studio with a lighting rig and a Hassleblad - also probably why they have to charge $300 plus postage?
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@Wiganwill,
As I've said before, no. I'm afraid that when I was approached by Hubot/Johnny Rau/Whatever he's known as I had no idea that the man has history. Simply put there was a discussion regarding the American version of the bike shelf on Bikeradar and I offered to make them (because I fancied one myself). He PMd me and asked for details, then asked that if he got some other orders from his friends would I give him a discount on one. I said yes. In retrospect that was naive as I had no idea who the guy was.I promise however that far from being cheap, my shelf is just not overpriced (mainly because I don't have any overheads and this is a beer money exercise for me). Whilst it's not my main profession I am a damn good carpenter and the finish on this is satin smooth, the construction is solid as a rock.
Knockoff? Depends on how you define the word I guess. I prefer 'custom built to the highest standard in homage to an existing design that most of us can't afford'. Incidentally I'm getting enquiries to modify the design to individual requirements, like being able to lock the bike to the shelf with a D lock. Can do.
Sorry if I've ruffled feathers by association, but I'm just a 'workshop behind the house craftsman for fun' - gets me away from the day job. Whatever he-of-many-IDs may have been up to it's nothing to do with me.
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The shelf is attached using two steel L brackets that are screwed into the wall (with the appropriate screws depending on what your wall is constructed from) and then screwed into the underside of the top of the shelf with four self drilling screws (both these and the brackets are supplied). The result is very strong and stable, my six year old can sit on it without the slightest hint of wobble.
Man juice and velcro may be added at your discretion.
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Hi everyone.
I'm 'the mate' in question - although let's be quite clear, my relationship with Hubot extends to him sending me a PM asking about a shelf, and whether if he got some orders for some more then would I give him a discount on his - to which I (apparently foolishly given the history here) said yes. Hmm.
Anyway, to answer the main points brought up in this thread;
1) Bad Karma, Yup. my design is influenced strongly by the very lovely American product, but a) it is by no means identical, b) It's not the only very similar thing out there and c) I believe reproduction furniture is rather a large industry - I don't feel I need to apologise and I am acknowledging the influence.
2) How can I make it for £65 delivered? Because I am not a company. I have a day job (surface engineering) but I am also a carpentry hobbyist. Now I've run through a few prototypes I can make one in about two hours of labour and £15 in materials. Nobody is going to get rich but I figure if I make ten or fifteen of these then I've paid for my one with enough left over for a couple of bottles of decent wine. Plus I get to zen out in my workshop for a few evenings :-)
3) Here's my example;
4) And yes, I will make to your bikes dimensions and, for an additional £5, stain to whatever wood colour you like. I promise you won't be disappointed by the quality, and if you're worried then I will be perfectly happy to sell to you via eBay where I have a large 100% feedback rating and you can have all the Paypal protection you want.I apologise that I've been linked to a bad rep. I'm not out to 'make a fast buck' at Knife and Saws expense - I'm planning on making no more than 20 and coming out with some unarguably original designs shortly (I also like to work with iron and steel, I've some nice ideas that I might play with this weekend.
Simon
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In the early days of the AA, before they drove Minivans the reason they saluted to badge holders was that if they failed to, you were supposed to stop and ask them why. They could then warn you about speed traps.
Never heard that before, love it.
Couple of jobsworth British Transport Police tried to fine me for cycling on the pavement the other day - because I was sitting stationary on my bike on the pavement waiting for some lights to change to stop the traffic to let me cross to an opposing lane on a dual carriageway - sphincters.
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Yup, much reworked Zephyr