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Why didn't the comms pull them?

Who got the push, all of them or just man 1? it's probably more of a hindrance to be pushed if you're man 2/3 and the others don't get an equal shove.

When's the last time you saw the comms disqualify anyone? Both the two regulars who used to do it are no longer with us...

Geraint's an animal! Managed to push his way through some tiny gaps to get cav out of trouble with 1.5km to go.

it was pretty grim up in north london today

Just today? I thought it was always pretty grim up north...

Please see my comments regarding assessment of conditions with a bearing on rider ability. A blanket 'official' policy isn't worth jack shit tbh as your anecdotal evidence (as an experienced) rider will not be of relevance when coaching a group of 1st timers. At the other end of the scale, sprinters doing standing starts isn't going to work on a wet surface either.

Cooky's opinions do not reflect the views of HH management as a whole.

It will be guidance as to what riders can expect the decisions to be for various sessions (rider ability assosciated with particular sessions)- not my idea, but seems like a good idea to me.

The main reason that i posted anything at all is because someone could easily read what you had written - assumed that as you do a lot at the track that was the official line - then decide not to turn up, even though the session still runs as the coach for that session deems it safe.

Final decisions will obviously lie with the coach for that session - but some guidance for riders on what to expect would probably be quite useful.

Actually mate it's not. It's up to those responsible for the rider's welfare during the session/race meet. Up to riders only after that decision has been taken.

Whether riders want to ride in the wet or not is nothing to do with the coach/commisaire - whether they are allowed/advised to is. You've misunderstood the point I was making.

RPM's opinions do not reflect the views of the HH management as a whole. There are other coaches who, although equally concerned about the safety of the riders, do not want to unnecessarily cancel sessions when the track is perfectly grippy.

There is a whole spectrum of differing opinions from Rob's "no dry, no ride" to the other extreme of "if it's not currently raining it's dry enough".

Having ridden the track when it is completely wet (on track tyres pumped hard) and not felt any slipping (even when i started chucking the bike up and down the banking)- I'd say that it is probably fine to ride in the damp, but would want to be completely sure before coaching a session on it.

Official HH policy on this coming soon - in the mean time check twitter (@hernehillvel) for updates on whether each particular session is likely to go ahead.

Why people would want to ride on a wet track is another question, and up to them to decide for themselves

The lines were sanded down because they were slippery when damp but the track was not, now the lines and tarmac are equally slippery/unslippery. Had nothing to do with the lines preventing the track from drying faster.

The lines at HH (but not the cote d'azur) were sanded by the contractor after the problem was pointed out (and a little persuading was done). Looking like the volunteers at HH are going to do the cote d'azur themselves.

From the facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/events/340318936029147/):

"Keirins, Scraches, Devils and points races, plus the final 20k scratch will include a separate female prize."

How competent are you? If in doubt it's probably best to do a couple more Monday nights.

Can't see any reason why 20s wouldn't be fine. I rode 18s for a bit.

My rugby season is almost over, so looking to try this out for the first time - any tips for roadies giving it a go? What do you need to take with you, other than a helmet?

Nothing specific really, http://www.hernehillvelodrome.com/information/clothing

Some sound advice here http://rpmcyclecoaching.blogspot.co.uk/2009/09/first-time.html

A bit OT, but does anyone know if the Road bike sessions are running again on Tuesday evenings? It doesn't seem to show on the calendar on their website. Thanks!

http://www.hernehillvelodrome.com/sessions-and-events/track-training#tuesday

http://www.hernehillvelodrome.com/information/clothing

Really happy about it Herne Hill is going to be great.

Good Friday?

http://www.hernehillvelodrome.com/sessions-and-events/track-training#saturday

Running from** 3rd March 2012 to 27th October 2012**.

<2 months away now!

who are the riders?

http://www.hernehillvelodrome.com/herne-hill-2012-race-calendar

Lots of racing planned for next year. Great fun for riders and spectators alike.

Are these the Meadowbank hire bikes?

Shallower bars are fine!

No idea who it is though!

http://www.hernehillvelodrome.com/herne-hill-velodrome-needs-you-working-party-this-saturday

Working party at HH, Saturday 12th November, 1pm

No Saturday training for the next few weeks. But we may be starting up again earlier than march. Keep an eye on www.hernehillvelodrome.com

The closure till march seems to be confirmed though .. ((

There was talk of inters only saturday sessions starting slightly later in the day. Something will be announced and confirmed very soon.

Elimination: "Devil Takes The Hindmost" - last rider across the line every lap is eliminated, until there's just three remaining, who sprint it out
Points race: Long-ish distance (e.g. 50-laps) with points for being 1st/2nd/3rd across the line every 5 or 10 laps, then more points for the final sprint
Sprints: one-on-one
Time trial: one
Kieran: everyone lines up behind a 'ickle motorbike which paces them 'round and peels off with a lap-and-a-half to go for a mass sprint
Aus pursuit: no idea - could be the above (or is it like team pusuit but one peels off every lap...?)

Close enough...to be precise:
Points race:, first 4 riders across the line at each sprint score 5,3,2,1 points. The points are the same for every sprint (including the last one)
Kieran: A blokes name
Keirin: as above except the bike pulls off with 2 1/2 laps

For real... tho I'm probably not a great ad for the workshop...

:-)

My start at the World Masters was much better tho... 20.104 sec (5th fastest). Sadly my last lap was on 17th fastest...

fixed.

^I was gonna say if you only do <6 sessions a year it might take you a year and a half to be ready to do race training. I think the current system is about right, and at some point you have to leave responsibility to decide whether you are ready for a session to the riders.

Manchester's system is about as strict as you get without going too far and discouraging people. HH's can be more lenient because it's a simpler track to ride. Not mention all 3 track leagues at manchester are full, so they can be very selective, whereas we are always trying to encourage more riders to get into racing.

Comments and feedback on sessions are always very useful as the coaches don't always spot everything. Feedback on the induction from someone who's ridden at others tracks before is particularly useful, as normal it's full of complete novices. More the merier!