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^ all good reasons

1. The major one: keeping the pace smooth, if your not as fit, constant attacking and changing pace is gonna wear you out, but if the pace is faster and smooth this stops this (so mike you deliberately slowing it down may make it harder for yourself, as it encourages the likes of Keith to attack) Can just do a short quick 1/4 lap turn.

2. The Jake Martin effect: Something any coaching manuals won't tell you. In bunch races popularity with other riders is important! Going to the front and then swinging straight off or slowing the pace may compromise this. If you are liked people will let you onto wheels in front of them, maybe let you win a prime if they aren't too bothered etc. If your disliked people will chase you down every time you attack, push you off of wheels and aim to never let you win anything

3. Not doing turns, or doing slow turns shows weakness. If you are a good sprinter, the likes of Keith, Simon Warren, Stuart Hourighan (who are all pretty strong, but have no real sprint to shout about) will want to get rid of you from the race. If you make it too obvious that you are uncomfortable with a fast pace, then they'll attack.

4. Sitting near the front of the bunch. Its hard to get away with sitting near the front of the bunch without doing a turn. Generally speaking being near the front is useful whether you are feeling strong or weak. If your feeling strong it allows you to follow attacks and increase your chance of getting away. If your feeling weak it means you can drop 10-20 places when the racing gets hard and you'll still be somewhere in the bunch. +it puts you in a good position for starting your sprint.

Do i need to put up a list of **selfish reasons to do a turn. **so far all that has been talked about is reasons not to.

a transparent attempt by JC to make up lost points ...

Think me an him are tied at the moment, if he beats me overall in the league purely because i can't track stand no handed i won't be impressed

First saturday of every month. This saturday's will be on.

That's rich given the number of VCL riders who've come down too in recent weeks.

Considering there are 27 VCL's and 8 Rolla's at track league (more than any other clubs) and they tend to almost all come every week there are gonna be more rolla's and vcl coming off than anyone else.

Compare that to Crystal Palace where there has been (rough guess) on average one crash per week, and recently a few crashes per week. Its bike racing, it happens. Its rare, but occasionally you might get involved.

More crashes at palace this week then there has been in 5 years at Herne Hill, at least 9 in one night! +more carbon so more expensive! Which is why we all like track racing!

Like has been said before, mention poor riding to the judges, not holding your line is an infringement of the rules as well as dangerous. Trying to make the judges more approachable, because at the moment they tend to just ignore rider complaints.

yea, saw that, moved up a bit after the line in that sprint as well and nearly wiped out. The guy on the inside deserved to be ridden off the track tho cos he came up the inside on the cote d'azur. words have been had!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/34755013@N04/4729062016/in/set-72157624343571884/

Checking to make sure the first aiders are there before falling off?

anyone remember what the programme was for tonight? how long is the madison?

Is he being coached by Dave?

Ok maybe the prince of whinging? spose dave is the master really

^sounds like pathetic whinging to me!

Still don't understand how you manage to be comfortably 3rd in just yer 2nd year of cycling behind Bryan and Symon, who lets be honest are a slightly different class, and still find things to moan about. Suppose you are being coached by the master of whinging!

^
so you can drop rob in the team sprint!

hope you feel better

I really enjoyed this weeks report, but it was missing gems like these:

A disgruntled James Solly protested he wasn’t out on the last lap

James Solly was expected to dominate procedeedings. He looked very powerful in the scratch race... but faded slightly down the home straight
Just doesn't seem like track league without James' tales of woe.

Think we can safely say Mike is Herne Hill's best 'Sprint Specialist'

dry in tulse hill atm

Also, would anyone like to claim to be 5th in the Warm up race? I was given number 16 - which was Connor - who didn't race.

        1st   S5   Stuart   Hourigan

2nd Sx52 Keith Coffey
3rd S68 Neil Irons
4th S11 James Solly

  5th   S16?   ?

6th S12 Chris Cole

Also, I haven't got any results for the A 3 lap dash. Any ideas?

Do you have positions below 6th? Might help work things out. There was a huge line of us that came across between about 5th and 10th if I remember correctly. I could have been up there but not confident enough to lay claim to the points.

3 lap dash result looks about right.
Dunno who was 5th in the opener but the huge line that came across "about 5th - 10th" was further back. There was the front 6, then me (7th) then a big mass of riders in a line. Could it have meant to be #18 Mike C? could look like 16 and would make sense.

Rainin a bit 5 mins or so from Herne Hill. Not enough for the track to get wet yet tho

Keirin and Sprints!! you might even have tempted a certain rpm to ride

Max is ok. He's just come to pick up his car from the track and was walking around find. Has chipped a bone in his neck but is otherwise fine. From what he saw 2 guys in front of him tangled bars and then fell off. Think the puncture was a lap earlier and completely unrelated.

Monday's was 25 laps if that makes you feel better.

I'm not sure where I'll nab my 0.1 points tonight

Handicap points race

Tonight:

• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Youth C + D 4 lap Scratch Race[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Youth A + B 6 lap Scratch Race[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Youth C + D 4 lap Controlled Points Race[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Youth A + B 6 lap Points Race[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Youth C + D Handicap sprint. (Start in back straight)[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Youth A + B Handicap sprint (Start in home straight) [/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Senior A + B 15 lap Warm-Up Race (10 laps together – racing with 5 to go)[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Youth C + D Human Powered Derny Race[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Youth A + B ** Human Powered Derny Race[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Senior A + B ** Handicap Sprint Heats [/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Senior B **5 lap scratch[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Senior A **6 lap scratch[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Senior A + B 200 meter time trials (even numbers – points down to 12th overall)[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**O50s + Women ** 3 lap dash[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Senior B **10 lap Handicap Points Race (riders with 0.6 points or fewer overall start in the back straight)[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Senior A **12 lap Handicap Points Race (riders with 6 points or fewer overall start in the back straight)[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Senior A + B ** Handicap Sprint Final[/SIZE][/FONT]
  
• [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]**Senior A + B ** 30 lap Points Race (sprints every 5 laps. – 1st £15, 2nd £12, 3rd £8, 4th £5[/SIZE][/FONT]
  

Ron Fowler is still taking entries for his Roadmans 25 meeting. The deadline was Monday but he said he'd be down on wednesday with forms to accept any late entries. Usually a good race + there is a vets and a womens omnium.
Details at: http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/web/site/BC/Bridge/calendar_future.asp?evt_cp=1&evt_mode=1&evt_id={1D843524-04E6-4A9B-9DCB-5BD518DFCBC8}&evt_seriesid=&evt_myevents=No&RefID=&RefType=&evt_month=0&evt_kw=&evt_regions=South+East&evt_disc=Track+Racing&evt_class=&evt_cat=&evt_series=&evt_resultspp=20