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The current slot dropout version, that is. On-One specify a 50mm chainline, which is rather difficult with fixed (easy enough for SS). Goldtecs are about 46.5mm. Did you have to crimp the RH chainstay? What size ring are you using?

It's fixed gear, but not singlespeed. Or single speed.

You get everything shown plus a cable, but not a sprocket (this one is a 15T) for £180 plus postage. It feels very well made and there is minimal lash between driving and braking. Now I need to get some spokes and lace it up. Chainline is adjustable using spacers; in the maximum position shown here it's about 46-46.5mm, which is handily the same as a Goldtec track hub. You can reduce it to about 41mm by moving the spacers.

Alright boys and Girls,

Half way through my first conversion and wanted to ask about the drop outs.....

I've lovingly sanded down a steel frame from an old rigid mbt, cut all the brake bits off (never fear I will have a front brake!!) and I'm now very close to having it Powder coated.....

My problem is the drop outs, the original ones I have sawn off the rear derailier hanger to just leave the drop out 'slot'......Is it worth now that i've put quite a bit of effort into it converting the original drop outs to horizontal drop outs??

I've seen these....would a joe bloggs welder be able to do it or would I have to go to a bike specialist.....http://www.charliethebikemonger.com/userimages/procart12.htm

Or should I just buy a half link??.......do these pose any problems with the running of the chain??

Get it done properly. Dropouts are often brazed in place even if the rest of the bike is welded, because the stays are rather thin at the ends.

Vertical dropouts and fixed are always unsatisfactory. You might get lucky with a magic gear after trying five chainrings and three sprockets, but even then chain wear will catch up with you much quicker than normal. Half-links are not good because they stretch before the rest of the chain and have a bit of a reputation for breaking (pedalling tries to straighten the bent side plates). The ENO hub works for some people, slips for others, and costs just as much as having new dropouts fitted by the best framebuilder you can find (Argos in Bristol are the most expensive I know).

It is definitely worth doing, although only really cheap frames are usually so bad for problems to show up (i.e. the headset binds when turned or is loose, but you can't get a proper adjustment in between). I'd prefer it to be done before painting on an all-weather bike, or you'll eventually get rust streaks.

Crankset + BB + hub + cog (+ bar tape / grips) = your name

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Campagnolo Pista + Campag Record Pista + Royce + EAI = kowalski
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Record 111mm (80's) + Phil + Phil = tristoo
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Centaur 111mm + Phil Hub + Phil Cog = Sparky's Fuji
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Centaur 111mm + Suzue Promax SB + EAI superstar = oddsock
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Athena + Phils (Hub and cog) (+ Fizik bar tape) = Jonny
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Pista + Campag Pista = Platini
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Record + Royce + eai = briankwan
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Pista + Dura Ace + Dura Ace = Skully (can't be straight, I never get anything right)
Campagnolo Pista + Campag + Ambrosio + Phil Wood = Sano
Campagnolo Pista + Specialities TA + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = VelocityBoy
Campagnolo Pista + Campag + Araya + Phil Wood = 50/14
Campagnolo PIsta + Campag Veloce 111mm + System-EX + Condor = hladik
Campag Record Pista - Campag Centaur 111mm - Campag Record Pista - Phil Wood - the-smiling-buddha
Campag Record Pista + Record pista + Record Pista + Dura ace = gizmond
Campag Record Pista + Token tiramic 111mm + Ambrosio + Phil Wood + VO sewn-on elkhide= Smallfurry (BB asymmetric, buggerit)
Campag Record Pista + Phil Wood BRS10S 110.5 + Phil Wood + EAI = Jonesy
Campag Record Pista + Campag Centaur 111mm + Dura Ace Hb7600 + Dura Ace = Cornelius Blackfoot
Campagnolo Record Pista+Campagnolo Centaur 111mm+Miche Primato+Condor CNC=Cosmonaut
Campagnolo Record Pista+Stronglight 110 ISO+Campag Record Road screw on with large spacer swapped from DS to NDS+Trialtech Sport=Mitre_Tester
Campagnolo Record Pista + Campag Centaur 111mm + Royce + On-One (& others) = BMMF
Campagnolo Record + miche 111mm + Mack + Phil Wood = drøn
Campagnolo Pista + Campag Record Pista + Campag Record Pista + EAI = entwidomela
Campagnolo Chorus + unknown + BLB + BLB (+Ritchey Pro) = upstart
Campag Super Record Pista + Record Pista + Dura Ace 7600 HF + Condor = M-X

Dotek:
Dotek cheapy + Campag Mirage + Formula + Dura-Ace = fc9k
Dotek FG-PRO6-170 + BBUN26 68x113mm + OnOne small flange double fixed hub + Miche1/8sprocket = xroads (42mm chainline with chainring on inner side of spider, chainguard on outer side)

Dura-Ace:
Dura-Ace + Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + EAI = hassanr
Dura-Ace 7600 + Sugino 75 + Dura Ace + Surly = Dayno
Dura-Ace + UN72/110mm + Goldtec + EAI Superstar = Object
Dura-Ace + UN53/107mm + Dura Ace+Dura Ace= MA3K
Dura-Ace + UN54/107mm + Dura Ace + Phil = Shinscar
Dura-Ace + Dura-Ace BB-7610 + Dura-Ace 7600 + EAI = flickwg
Dura-Ace 7600 + UN54/107mm + Novatec + some shit = Ant
Dura-Ace FC7710 + Dura Ace BB7710 (109.5) + Dura Ace HB7600 + Dura Ace 1/8 = RPM dura-fuckin-ace.
Dura-Ace all the way baby... = dovoneil
Dura-Ace FC7710 + Dura Ace BB7710 + Dura Ace HB7600 + EAI = town
Dura-Ace Old school 151 + UN54+ Sys Ex + On One= Eyebrows perfect (dangermouse)
Dura-Ace + UN54 110 + Dura-Ace + Dura-Ace = Charco
Dura-Ace + Stronglight JP400 + Phil + Andel = euan
Dura-Ace 7710 + Sugino 75 chainring + Dura-Ace 7700 109.5mm BB + Dura-Ace 7600 hub + Sugino Sprocket = Dammit
Dura Ace 7600 + Campag Veloce 115.5 + Level (45mm chainline) = M-X

Miche:
Miche + Miche +Miche + Andel + Miche = fixedfreak (max)
Miche + Campag Record 111mm + Goldtec + EAI = MrSmith
Miche + Miche + Velosteel coaster = gizmond
Miche + Campag Record 109mm + Phil + Phil = gizmond
Miche + Miche + Navigator Pista + EAI = gizmond also
Miche + Sugino + Miche + EAI = Shinscar (surly)
Miche Primato Pista + Shimano UN54/110mm + Formula + Dura Ace = CHUG_IT
MIche Primato Pista + Miche + On-One + EAI = ummar01
Miche (Condor-branded) + Miche 107mm (cups adjusted 2mm towards drivechain) + Goldtec + EAI 1/8" = eeehhhh {46mm chainline}
Miche Primato Advanced + Miche 107mm + Goldtec + Condor = Buddha Fingaz
Miche Primato Advanced + Miche 107mm + Condor(IRO) + Surly = edscoble
Miche Primato Advanced + Miche + Miche + Miche = Hovis Brown
Miche Primato Advanced + Miche + Miche + Miche Pista = 50/14
Miche Primato Advanced + Shimano UN53/107mm + Condor Goldtec + EAI = hamster
Miche Primato Advanced + Miche 107mm + Mavic 520 Piste + Roselli = entwidomela
Miche Advanced + Miche + Gran Compe + DA = VED
Miche Advanced + Miche + phil wood + DA = VED
Miche Advanced + Miche + Dia Compe Grand Compe + EAI = gizmond
Miche Advanced + Campagnolo Athena adjustable 111mm + Dia Compe Gran Compe + Miche Primato = a|s (although my driveside chainstay is out of whack by 5mm or so)
Miche Primato Advanced + fyxomantosis chainring 49t + royce titanium + phil wood 16t + fizik = germanmarc
Miche Primato Advanced + Miche 107mm + system ex + Andel = sorethroat

Stronglight:
Stronglight + UN53/107mm + Sys-X + Formula= MA3K
Stronglight + Shimano UN73/110mm + SystemEx + EAI -2mm = mr_tom
Stronglight + Stronglight + SystemEx + Tranzmission = BringMeMyFix
Stronglight + UN72/107mm + Miche + EAI = Richard Cheese (all 3/32)
Stronglight + Shitmano UN54/118mm + Goldtec + Surly/EAI (on 130mm dropouts for 50mm chainline, Pomino, Genesis singlespeed etc..)= RPM
Stronglight + Sugino / 103mm + Phil Wood + Phil Wood 1/8" = Superprecise
Stronglight + Shimano + System EX + BLB = maxcrowe
Stronglight 2000 + Stronglight JP400 / 107mm JIS + Phil Wood + Phil Wood 1/8" (42mm chainline) = Spiny
Stronglight 2000 + Stronglight JP400 / 107mm JIS + Goldtec + Condor = lightindustrialunit

Sugino 75:
Sugino 75 + Miche + Condor (non Goldtec) + Dura Ace = brett
Sugino 75 + Miche + Phil Wood = adoubletap & Fred
Sugino 75 + Miche + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = d.mac ( if it ever comes back from Condor....)
Sugino 75 + Miche + Campag + DA = gizmond
Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = Cornelius Blackfoot
Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = Wapping Warrior
Sugino 75 + Phil 110.5mm + Phil + EAI Superstar = Object
Sugino 75 + Phil 110.5mm + Goldtech + Phil Wood = Dancing James
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + goldtec + eai = dogsballs
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + Goldtec + EAI= 31t®um
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + Goldtec + EAI = Broker
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + Phil Wood + Phil Wood= adoubletap
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + Phil Wood + Phil Wood= biles
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = maxcrowe
Sugino 75 + Campag Veloce 111mm + Formula + Dura Ace = TooTallTim
Sugino 75 + Hatta R9400 + ShimanoHB7600 + EAI superstar cog = Tynan
Sugino 75 + Hatta R9400 + ShimanoHB7600 + Dura-ace= Build
Sugino 75 + Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + EAI = mr_tom
Sugino 75 + Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + Surly = Dannoleeed
Sugino 75 + Dura Ace + Condor Goldtec + Condor CNC = Mouse
Sugino 75 + Shimano + Condor Goldtec + EAI Superstar = Nimhbus
Sugino 75 + Hatta R9400 (109mm) + Campagnolo C.Record + Sugino Gigas = moose76
Sugino 75 + Dura Ace (109mm) + Phil Wood + EAI regular (euro asia imports) = moose76
Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = shootthebreeze
Sugino 75 + Sugino 75 + Phil Wood + Phil Wood = works
Sugino 75 + Sugino 75 + Dura Ace + EAI Superstar = jaygee
Sugino 75 + Royce 103mm JIS + Royce + EAI Superstar = welpeur
Sugino 75 + Stronglight + Phil Wood + Dura Ace (+ cut down odyssey grips) = jonny
Sugino 75 + Hatta R9400 (109mm) + Dura Ace + EAI = mikec
Sugino 75 + Campag Centaur 111mm + Goldtec + EAI = jon_a
Sugino 75 + miche 107mm + miche primato + crap 3/32 = Gareth_lindsay

Sugino Messenger/RD:
Sugino Messenger + Phil wood (103 jis) + phil wood + phil wood = chris crash
Sugino Messenger + Shimano + Ambrosio + Condor = Shinscar (clown)
Sugino Messenger + Sugino/103mm + Goldtec + DA = VED (perfect)
Sugino Messenger + Sugino + Hope track + EAI = Aleksi
Sugino Super Mighty + Sugino 109 + Dura Ace + Phil Wood = Dayno
Sugino RD + Sugino + Ambrosio + Miche = asm } both are pretty much spot on
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm + Sys-X + Dura Ace = MA3K
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm + SJS (SystemEx et al) + Dura Ace/Andel = ChrisNW {44 front, 42 rear}
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm + Halo + Halo = Hotwls
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm + OnOne + OnOne = -=Mike=-
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm + Surly O.L.D. + Surly/Miche/Dicta = ShannonBall
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm + OnOne + Dura Ace = Pifko
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm+ Sys Ex + Miche = Eightball69
Sugino RD + UN53/107mm + Condor Goldtec + EAI= hamster
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm + Formula track hub +Miche sprocket (Miche lockring will no fit this hub) = gtvlusso
Sugino RD + Sugino/103mm+ Gran Compe + Token/Andel = Balki
Sugino RD (On inside ring) + Sugino/103mm+ Formula + Surly = entwidomela
Sugino RD +Sugino/ 103mm + OnOne + Andel = welpeur

Misc.:
Andel + Shimano UN54 110mm + Forumla + EAI = Jaimes
Andel/BLB + Sugino 103mm + zenith/formula + surly = dinosaur
Camapgnolo road double (Croce D'Aune) + 111mm ACH + Goldtec + Miche or On One or Surly or EAI 3/32nd = AlexB
Campagnolo Double + Shimano + Formula + DA = Tobyprice
Campagnolo Record time trial + FAG Nadax + SJS + Beans Cycles = BlueQuinn
Campagnolo Veloce Double + Campag Veloce + SystemEx = Hovis Brown
Campagnolo Veloce Triple + Campag Veloce + Goldtec + Tranzmission = BringMeMyFix
Campag Veloce UT+Record UT+Mavic Ellipse+Phil Wood/EAI Gold Medal=Mitre_Tester
FSA Carbon Track Pro + FSA Platinum Pro BB + Mack Double Fixed Track Hub + DA Track Cog + KMC Superlight Chain = Dov
FSA Vero + 110mm cheapo cartridge + Dura-Ace/SurlyFixer/Shimano LX = N3lson
FSA Vero + Shimano UN54 110mm + System EX + On-One = Buddha Fingaz
FSA Vero+Shimano UN54+Miche Pistard+Deda=east end images
FSA Vigorelli + ISIS BB of indeterminate width + Phil + Condor = hippynice
Gipiemme Pista + Campag 111mm + Mavic + Dura-Ace (also Goldtec + Miche) = ondine
Gusset Pygmy 853 (gusset chainwheel) + Gusset Euro bb (145mm spindle) + Goldtec + EAI = hassanr
Middleburn RS1+ Shimano XT 68 113mm + White Bros Eno + Surly/ Miche = tommid
Ofmega 49t + Campag + Miche + DA = Tobyprice
Ofmega 52 tooth + Shimano/110mm Italian thrd + Formula + Surly = P!MP(somehow it works)
Pake + UN54 107mm + SJS/Formula + Miche = Frankie_j
Paul + Campag Centaur 111mm + Goldtec + Surly = yorkiefix
Paul + Campag Centaur 111mm + paul + phil = flickwg, nosferatu BIG UP PAUL COMP
Paul Comp + Phil Wood BRS10S 110.5mm + Paul Comp + Surly = Jonesy
Paul + Centaur111+ Profile + EAI= Eyebrows. Geekhouse (45mm thereabouts)
Profil Race Cranks with Gusset Chainring, Profile Euro BB, Philwood, Philwood = Object
RPM + Shimano UN54/110mm + Condor (non-Goldtec) + Condor = Brett
Shimano 600 + UN54/110mm + Goldtec 126mm track hub + 3/32 EAI = Prime heretic
Shimano 600 Road Double + Shimano 107mm + System Ex + a cog (possibly) = hippy TI Raleigh
Shimano 600 road double(gebhardt chainring) + Shimano 107mm + Systemex +cheapy cog = BrianClose
Shimano sora double + Prestine threadless 110.5 + on-one dble fixed + on one = Bernhard (42mm I think)
Shimano Sora (Double - Inside mounted chainring) + Shimano UN54/107mm + Novatech Hubs + Miche
Shimano 105 (Double - inside mounted chainring) + 105 Hollowtech + Formula + Shimano BMX freewheel = ctznsmith
Shimano 105 (Double - inside mounted chainring) + Shimano UN54/110mm + Suzue Basic + Ambrosio = Specialist
Shimano Exage EX300 double (ring on outer side)+ Shimano un 71 113mm + Formula=ile
Shimano Nexus NX60+Campagnolo+Campagnolo Record Pista+Campagnolo Record Pista(+Silva)=east end images
SRAM S300 1.1 + GXP BB cups + 'Raleigh Build' Crap Generic Hub on Mach 1 Omega factory build junk + EAI = Ninjaslim
SR Apex 165 (118bcd) + Shimano UN54/115mm + System Ex (Condor) + Dura-Ace = cold blow
SR Sakae + Shimano UN54/118mm + SJS (SystemEx et al) + Andel = ChrisNW {42mm}
Sugino XD + UN54/107mm + Dura-Ace 1/8" + Goldtec = rogerzilla (46.5mm, chainring on inside of crank)
Sugino Langster Speciales + Sugino 103mm + System Ex + Ye Olde Englishe Coge = hippymess
Suntour Superbe Pro + Phil 108mm JIS + Dura Ace = tick.tick.tick
TA + TA(314) + Campag + Miche = Fruitbat
TA Alize Piste+Stronglight 110 ISO+Goldtec+Miche=Mitre_Tester
Truvativ + (??) stock bianchi pista + phil wood + EAI = asm }
Truvativ Omnium + Truativ GXP External BB cups + On-One Hubs + Miche/Dura-Ace = Pifko
Truvativ Omnium+Truvativ GXP+Navigator Pista+Miche=Mitre_Tester's sister-in-law
White Industries + Phil + Milwaukee(Ben's) + EAI = Archi Pelago
White Industries + Shimano longy+ LeVeL 135 + LeVeL = Eyebrows 52mm chainline!
White Industries + Shimano/110mm + Phils + White Industries = big daddy wayne
Zeus Pista (circa 80's) + Campag Pista 109mm + Formula + Miche = tristoo
Sugino Maxy + 3SB (121.5mm asymmetric) cup&cone + Miche + EAI = welpeur
Sugino Super Maxy + Tange 115mm (with 1mm BB Spacer) + Zenith (same as Formula etc) + Surly = A EF
Mighty (£15 ebay) + Shimano un54 122.5mm + sjsc hub+ sjsc cog = ile

My latest project is an old Saracen MTB frame, which I'm going to have converted to horizontal dropouts, moving most of the parts over from my Cannondale (on which I used an ENO hub, but it slipped like buggery when I climbed steep hills and I got fed up of it; I don't think ENOs and Cannondale dropouts work together).

Kona Project Two forks, Goldtec hub, 41 x 15, V-brake for the moment but disc brake when the rim wears out and I need to rebuild the front wheel. Hopefully the chainring will clear the stays - it did with the 'Dale and if not I'll just get the chainstay crimped at bit.

Oh, and the Fuji Track is getting an S3X, which is now in stock at oldbiketrader.co.uk (£180 plus postage...a bit steep, but that does include the shifter and cable - you'd pay £300-400 for an ASC with the even rarer dedicated shifter).

Has anyone got a Sugino XD crank on a 73 x 107mm Shimano UN54? I currently have it on a 68 x 107mm UN54 but the new frame needs the wider BB - will this crank hit the RH BB cup, or will it just clear it? The chainline should be the same for both (47mm) but the cups are 2.5mm closer to the ends of the spindle.