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Hey guys, I don't wanna upset anyone over this, especially since it's just going to be turned into a pub beater for me anyway as I have other bikes already. It really is Jamestz's call but since I thought I might have 3rd dibs anyway I'm happy to step back a slot, wouldn't want to ruin someone's Xmas over it.
Not after hassle, just good rides, good beer and good times.James, just let me know if the other two pull out and I'll swing by to pick it up, if not no worries. : )
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Also, I just noticed your comment about Radio, actually you do pay for radio either directly with your license fee for the BBC or indirectly by listening to adverts, same with Spotify, YouTube etc etc. And by using those services the artist and songwriters get paid royalties because those mediums need a license to play music, that license fee is then split between the artists and they are rewarded for their work, because those business models rely on artists to run their companies. That is a fair system, sharing music where the creator doesn't get rewarded, isn't.
Again, not having a go, just making you aware of how some of the system works so you can make the consious decision to share the MP3's or not. What you then decide to do is up to you. : )
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Perhaps Hamster, but if you look at the economics and downward trends of the last few years there has been a major shortfall that has not been made up by sales of merch or tickets, and promoters don't develop acts in the same way record companies do, new bands and artists still need advances and A&R development to be able to get the most out of what they do, often these bands wouldn't be able to make music and develop a fan base without that support.
BlueQuinn, that's not really true and is a major generalisation. I work with everyday and small artists on a day to day basis that receive royalties, not many royalties these days, but they need them to survive. In fact many more would be able to devote their time to writing and recording if the general public understood that they should be rewarded for their work, instead of working 9 to 5 jobs to pay the bills and have music as a hobby.
It seems like everyone has the argument that giving away something for free is great PR because then someone will buy something... To a certain degree yes, if it's a concious decision by the artist, but when songs are raped from the artist without their permission and on a huge scale it is not a fair system. You wouldn't argue that a painter should allow people to steal his paintings in order that the theives friends might see the painting and encourage them to buy one...
Anyway, I'm really not trying to have a rant or tell you that you're bad people, because you're not, you're just music fans, however I did want to just suggest that sharing the songs further might be adding to a problem that will affect us all in the long run.
I talk at many events and give guest lectures at universities about the future of music, when I can find the time, because I'm passionate about it and honestly care about good music being made and shared. So I'm happy to have a friendly pint at some point and discuss the merits of both arguments as I recognise a forum isn't the best medium for such a discussion. : )
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Hate to be a stick in the mud, but this kind of thing really does destroy any chance of the next generation of great artists being found and developed. Not to mention that the British economy is slowly becoming more and more independant on our creative industries that are being eroded.
Obviously sharing around a few MP3's may be insignifficant in the grand scheme of things, but it's the expectation that music is free and that artists shouldn't be rewarded for their craft that is dangerous.
Sorry to rant, but perhaps once you have the discs, don't copy more to share around? I'm sure music karma will come around if so, and there will be a bunch of struggling artists who would thank you.
Ta!
*gets off soapbox
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iro-wha?!
I see your point but I'm just having a bit of fun, it's a good item at a good price. People know what it is, those that don't want it won't PM me, those that would like the wheel will PM me and have been doing so. There's not too much point in being super wound up about a sale, there will always be people who try and wind you up so I'm just having a sense of humour about it.
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Imagine how cool you'd look if you bought this as well as these bars:
http://www.lfgss.com/thread74093.html
Rad to the power hip! Well isn't that just "groovy" as the kids would say.
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The Sidi shoes are in good nick, they have a bit of scuffing of the material on the tongue, but other than that they're in great shape. I can't remember what model they are, sorry!
PM me if you'd like to try them on.