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Conspiracy of owls??

^ I didn't think this owl was dead, just 'resting'. S/he is on a 'lead' though which could be wrong.

'Posi' thread? Anything that positive is gonna create a counteractive force and make me puke.
It should be about seeing and trying to understand a 3rd force:
...'the third force beyond yin and yang... the source of the Pythagorean One, known as the Goddess Harmonia'

Yeah thanks, saw that and thought 'too long' but maybe... this lot do old bb stuff too.. http://www.cyclesofyesteryear.com/cycleshop/sparepart.htm

Thanks for the replies. Yep, I know cottered can be a real pain. I've installed a cottered crank before and it worked ok after a few trial and error sessions + hammer. But, it was pretty fiddly and time consuming. I'm an old geezer though and really like those old timey chain rings and wanted to restore the bike to something like it's original.

@goodhead Cheers, I'm in London though I think I might have located some cottered axles/spindles. (If they turn out to be no good I might try and PM you if that's OK).

I've just aquired a '60's Viking Trackmaster without a bottom bracket. Does anyone know of a way to calculate the required spindle length for what is to be a cottered bb/ crankset?
The bb shell width is 68mm (with 24 tpi). Any help would be appreciated as to what I might need to look for.

So, what was the argument in favour of giving out personal details?
I am so much happier knowing that we don't want to make it 'the done thing' or make it compulsory to give out those details (unless one is under arrest) and that, for the moment, it remains a personal choice. Hopefully it remains that way and no one is made to feel somehow 'wrong' for whatever they choose. A bit earnest maybe, but it's important.

Norman Tebbit *is* dead now isn't he?

...the more officers realise the limits of their powers the better - it's not uncommon for some officers to allow their personal feelings to seep into situations where they have no place - when an officer is told to mind his or her own business (or simply asked to fuck off) while attempting to intimidate or demand personal details from members of the public - then - where the law is on the side of the public - they, the police officers, should do just that.

Yes.

Yes, you don't need to give your details merely if you've been stopped. We'll wonder why though as most people tend to give their details. Most innocent people anyway.

People should NOT give their details and it's irresponsible to encourage them to do so imo. Why would you want them to give details? You don't need to ask them just as they don't need to give them.

Of course it's bullshit. What do you expect? Agree with the aforementioned: 'Shocker' (if you must) then get girlfriend with class.

Good illustration of overlapping priorities. Police are there to catch criminals and to ensure our rights. Probably.

Oh no, forget the lying solicitors thing. I'm innocent I tell you. I did not steal the bike(s). The real point is that we are so fortunate that we have a system which allows us the right to go about our lives without having to give up our names on demand. It might seem like a small issue but the law is there to allow/ensure these freedoms. The police force carry pout these laws of ensuring rights, they are not just to catch thieves etc

why did he have no reason to believe it wasn't stolen?

the copper comes up, says 'is that your bike?' you say 'yes', he says 'can i have you name and address', you say....

Am I under arrest? No?. Then I'm going to continue on my bike ride and choose not to give details. Thanks.
p.s I am not a solicitor as you might have guessed.They are obviously in league with the police and always stop unless they've just run you over. Possibly.

Ok, I might be in a hurry and wish to get to court. I'm a solicitor and I haven't got time to stop. Or, whatever. What does feasible mean here? Whatever reason I might have is feasible because the point is that it's up to the individual.
I would perhaps give my details, depending on my own judgement of the situation. That is, whether I decided it was useful/helpful enough to give my details. I'd have to think of a good enough reason to give them. (Being friendly/nice doesn't count). I don't want to press the issue to the point of absurdity though. I'm off to Victoria Park. Cheers.

Because you don't have to give your details, you might wish to or you might not. Any reason is acceptable (in law) and doesn't have to be stated by the individual.
It's not that giving your details is the 'normal' thing to do and you have to provide reasons not to do so, it's more a freedom to go about your business without having to bow to demands for information about yourself if you don't wish to, even if those demands are innocuous or useful to others.
If arrested you must give details or suffer consequences if found out.

so no one's yet come up with a reason to say to a policeman "actually, i'll keep my name and address to myself.." apart from

is it just me that thinks this is a bit like that conspiracy theory thread?
I understand its en vogue for people to think the police are shit and all, and wouldn't ever help the police because they're all corrupt but come on, this isn't the wire.

It's not necessary for the police to be 'shit and all' or 'corrupt' for a person not to volunteer their details. I see what you mean, that it could be become annoying to labour the point but it is a lawful choice if you don't want to give those details out. The law has seen fit to give each individual the choice in this matter and that's probably a good thing.

I get what you're saying, yep, it's true we are on all sorts of records but it might be irresponsible to encourage people to give up their details when asked by a policeman (nice or otherwise). Why would you give out your name and address? You're not required to do this. It's a complex issue but perhaps it leads to a general and gradual erosion of civil liberties to volunteer information. It's been decided that the law is that a policeman cannot demand these details unless you are arrested.

I thought it was nicking bikes and giving smart or no answers to the police when stopped that was going down a dangerous path.

You're right, if I had committed the theft/robbery that too could, well be, a dangerous path.

Never work with the police, their remit is to fuck you up, you are - without a doubt - stupid to co-operate with the police.

Funny, but I mostly agree. Infact by NOT giving your name and address you are complying with your lawful rights. To give them up is to go down a dangerous path.

Surely that would be the time you gave someone else's address?

Yep, that might be the time when one would give someone else's address, depending on the perceived increase in the chance of then getting away with a crime but this does not detract from this scenario also being the only time that reason dictated the giving of your personal details.

Would one of them be riding a bike you just nicked?

No, because that would be the time when reason would dictate that you did give your name and address. (You would be obliged to)

If you've nothing to hide, you've nothing to fear, after all.

You are being sarcastic, non?

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I can't think of any reason when, if asked by the police, I would choose not to give them my name and address.[/quote]
You too? Sarcasm?, or you mean to say that there is no police corruption. Excuse me if I'm wrong, it's just that where I come from the police are supposed to be servants of the public.

^ Yep, quite cute.