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^^^Bolagna Bikes... BSNYC? the 36 inch one was discussed there...
http://www.bolognabikes.com/

the surly is Double Butted Generic 4130. the charge appears to be straight gauge 4130.

Both have the same basic tendency to crack at the welds over time, but the charge will be stiffer and less likely to buckle if you crash into a wall head on.

The volume is built like a tank, isn't it? I can't find any details on the site, but they say it's built "like a BMX". god know what that means. I guess it's similar to the Charge.

Frankly, I can't say much from experience about the Volume or the Charge. I commented on the Surly above, and that would be my reccomendation (of these) for hard city riding including dropping off anything up to a foot regularly. If i wanted to do stair sets and actual drops for fun, i'd get a different kind of bike altogether.

I hear Surly Steamrollers are really solid. I'm going to be buying one within the next couple of weeks and have done a fair bit of research and they seem to tick all the boxes for me.

brother rides one. they are bombproof, heavy, versatile. Very nice looking dropouts and fork crown, so if built right it can be a pretty looking ride. Not a tight frame, geometrically, though.

Anyway back to bikes:

solid. I really want one of these.

weird to me that you guys can't just be helpful.

Chains *do not* stretch. Rookie.

Ok, cool guy, the rivets wear out and the play at each link increases. 1/xxth of a mm or so at each link adds up over the length of the chain. No, the plates do not become longer.

Behold my terrifying chain line:

This is with the old Formula sprocket in place, which is not quite 1/8th yet not quite 3/32nd.

Why would Fuji specify the wrong bottom bracket?!

It makes no sense- FSA Carbon track pro cranks and BB, formula fixed/fixed wheels, surely it should be inline- 42.5mm is the standard is it not?

It's just wierd, the chain goes (if you are standing behind the bike) diagonally left from the sprocket, then goes diagonally right about midway through it's length back to the chain ring.

Meh.

1. jesus christ. what you just described is NOT what what a "chainline" is. The chainline is the actual straight line between your cog and your Chainring. It should be completely parallel with the cog and chainring. Even if your chain is sitting on the floor, your bike still has a "chainline". See attachment.

2. It sounds like you have a shite chain and maybe your chain isn't tight enough (which actually could be helped by chaintugs if you aren't able to get it tight enough with other trickery). I suggest you get a better quality chain in 1/8th width. You can run a 1/8th chain (wider) with your current 3/32nd (narrower) cog and ring. It can be helpful. Be sure to tension it properly. Check the tension regularly. Chains stretch. Keep it tensioned properly.

and also, everyone except me in this thread is well... they're all yanking your chain. don't listen to them.

I'm a) lazy and b) trying to track down which part is at fault for my chainline being as straight as a corkscrew.

I've just changed the rubbish sprocket it came with to a Dura-Ace, the chain is going to get swapped tomorrow for a KMC 710, that just leaves me with the chain-ring, which is rather more expensive.

I thought a chain-tug would help tension the chain efficiently so I could cross incorrect tension off the list.

i will never understand this. This "chainline compatibility" is a meme which has spread through this forum. You guys have an entire thread on it. it's remarkable.

just move the hub and re-dish the wheel. it takes about 30 minutes for a monkey to do.

and chain tugs have nothing to do with this.

edit
Here: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/chainline.html
scroll down to "Chainline Adustement-Rear" (i didn't spell 'adustement' improperly, he did)

never used chain tugs. makes getting the wheel off a pain in the ass.

for the record, riding here in the US is pretty chill. Manhattan is rough for obvious reasons, Chicago can be nuts because the cars have so much space to approach high speeds and the intersections can be massive, but in my experience with other cities (atlanta, cleveland, DC, and some other smaller ones), it's pretty chill. Signaling when appropriate is huge and frankly most riders don't do it enough for fear of looking dorky, and not realizing how much motorists actually appreciate it and respond to it

This place is fucked.. but you could live in the middle of a warzone.. or Australia.. now count yourself lucky and move on.. after d-locking the fucker's windows in, of course.

you guys call them D Locks? Thats cute.

That's not good, that's brilliant.

I like this guy's work as well.

wow. thats awesome.

they just hang by the seat. the main pole is interrupted by two T joints, which then allow about a foot of pipe to be attached perpendicularly from which the bikes hang by their saddles. Very simple. Perfectly reliable. I will gladly take pics when i get home today.

i love specialized. seriously. The Tarmac is a beautiful machine, and the Demos are arguably the first truly remarkable "big bikes". No one builds a meaner XC machine, either. And their P.series bikes are no frills gorgeous fun bikes (although a bit over built). But all of them stand alone and serve a purpose. Even the original Langster unapologetically served a purpose. This bike serves no purpose other than bandwagoning. It isn't even a specialized apparently.

ANd for the record, i know i'm being a bit loud here, but I wouldn't have even chimed in if this board wasn't popping over the thing.

NJS is PURELY a fashionable commodity. In fact it's worse, because not only does it jack the price up, like all fashionable entities, It's actually limit on performance. It's a joke. And better yet? Most NJS frames out there are not just used, but RACED and sold. It's a terrible sickly black market. "Good condition, minor rust, needs paint, only one dent in the top tube, 600 bucks". Smoke and mirrors.

Right so i have two busybody neighbours who i share the downstairs hallway of my house with.
Neither of them have to commute (one works form home and one is usually away in scotland)

But they both whinge constantly about my skinny bike "making the hallway look messy" and being a "fire hazard"
Yeah right. If you're five feet wide.

Came home today to find this note under my doorway suggesting we club together to buy one of these:

http://www.trimetals.co.uk/bicycle-storage.php?m=4&g=9

My major problem is the bike mag reviews saying how wonderful they are - so i can't say flat out - "they're no good".

Personally i'm fine with leaving them in the hallway...

If you have the space INSIDE your place, I built something for my home which works beautifully and looks REALLY nice when done. It took about two hours when all was said and done, and cost about twenty bucks: (see attchment)

It's built from regular pipe fittings that thread together. Any hardware store has them... and can cut and thread them for you.

If anyone is interested in detailed plans (like the exact lengths of the pipe - it saves some trial and error) tell me. I'd be glad to measure them tonight and post it up. You'd only have to lengthen or shorten the top pipe to adjust for your ceiling height.

laters.

Ahh bike colaborations. In the words of the all mighty Bike Snob discussing the deplorable Fuji Obey, "it takes two to rip you off". He goes on to describe the Obey as "perhaps the most contrived collision between a cheap bike and street art since some guy in Williamsburg intentionally ghost-rode his Schwinn Varsity conversion into a Biggie Smalls mural."

This bike is worse. Talk about a contrived collaboration. Specialized has zero interest in Keirin racing. It's not a world market in the way road racing is and it will never be, and last i checked, Specialized isn't Japanese. So they aren't hoping to make strides in that arena. They are hoping to sell more crap to you by teaming up with the NJS stamp of approval. God knows how they got that stamp, because until now, Colnago was the only company outside of Japan with that badge. Maybe this is the answer:

They're all being made in Colnago's factory following a deal struck before the '08 season.

I'll find the article somewhere..

Possibly a rebadged low-end Colnago? A dream come true, because the neon hipster hi-top is dying and now people in the front of the fashion pack want a classic... but they can't afford one and don't have the know-how to actually find one. These front runners can now buy the Specialized NJS Langster. Complete with cookie cutter dropouts. But it's the color that counts. And the NJS stamp.

my 2 cents.

I don't get it - beautiful drilled cutout lugs on a flat fork crown, but nothing on the frame. Nothing at all.

it's because the Langster is a underenginered soulless piece of retro-styled crap, and that fork is using henry james lugs, or possibly even Henry James rip-off lugs.

Oh and Jersey, i've got video evidence of my riding skills going online in the next couple of weeks, two videos in fact, one vid has my mate Ric skitching a bus at nearly 30mph and whipping out some nice sideways skids in between bombing some tight gaps in traffic, and there's footage of me racing and beating a very serious looking chap on a Bob Jackson, on my trick bike with 32c tyres at 25+mph...with NO brakes :p.
Plus yanno, there are a fair few people on this forum that have video footage on a big upcoming fixed freestyle DVD, have won alleycats, and several that have couriered/courier for a living, most of which have superior bike control to myself and are a lot faster.....what were your credentials again?

seriously?

I don't even care whether you're kidding or not, because this what you said contains so much of the truth.... fixed rider actually think that riding a bike fast or skidding represents serious skillz. i don't even include a wheelie in that list because it's easier on a fixed gear than on a bike with a freewheel.

street fixed gear riding has miles to go before it even starts to get anywhere... both with the gear being ridden (shit that breaks and is meant for the track) and the idea of what a trick is/skills are (stuff i see 10 year olds with a good set of jewels do). Don't get me wrong, there are some graceful fast riders out there, but i bet most of them come from other cycling backgrounds like MTB or BMX.

Hey and i ride a fixed gear too, man, because it's so FUN (!!) to do in traffic and while drinking. But if i want to do something to impress the girls, it's going to be on any of my other bikes... including taking my basket bike to get groceries, because chicks think thats cute.

i whish i had not said anything now.

these are very serious people.
frankly, and watch this now, only about 5% of these fuckers can actually ride as well as they chat.
move on.

boa constirct

slippery soap

i really wanna try riding one of these

certainly odd, but doesn't belong in this thread. if considered outside the realm of "normal" it's really quite beautiful.

There's nothing hacked or mismatched about it.

I think it's gorgeous.

can lead to a stye

8 inches of snow, still snowing, drunk, night time, and the way to a girls house... and on my fast geared bike.

i was being hasty and i wasn't sure what the range was. I just saw the words carbon and ultegra in the thead an assumed i was in the right range. I see now it's 2 times the price range.

sorry for the whack post everyone