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I really hate those 'I designed windows 7' adverts..

I dislike mac as much as windows but Bill Gates & co. need to get some originality

+1. Is this the world's most punchable man?

If you choose to go the "horrible and cheap" route - let me know. I should be able to get you complete bike or two (including shite lock!)...

Thanks for the reply - I recall reading that thread now :-)

Memory fail on my part...

I had a black potenza stolen a few months ago. saw the guy on it and cycled after him and actually got it back! i'll keep a look out. there is always hope!

More details please?! D-Lock lasso?

(I dream of this happening to me and still eye every passing bike with suspicion - after 15 years you'd think I'd have moved on...)

Thanks for posting. This doesn't make much sense to me either.

Apologies if I've missed a thread somewhere but was the drivers defense that he hadn't seen Eilid at all? Or that he had seen her but the "tap" was unavoidable for other reasons?

Either way, the verdit seems bizarre. I'm not sure you'd even get away with these defences on a ski slope let alone London's Highways. Surely if he hasn't seen her he's negligent - or if he has and can't avoid contact he's driving wrecklessly?

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No fucking chance!

We're just being strung along.

Needles to say, it seams to be working...

Interesting comments too... :-$

"Doctor, you did ok hitting the brakes and causing the collisions. But once the cyclists are down, you need to back up and make sure you finished the job, then get the heck out of there. You are basically doing time for getting caught failing to follow through."

She'd received a picture message...

Or ride this and feel free to corner like Valentino Rossi...

cheapish Dragons...

http://www.cyclesurgery.com/1027459/Sidi-DRAGON-2-CARBON-SHOE-.html

yikes! :(

Sounds more likely to be part of this...?

"Tour de Ville will be closed for a Christmas revamp / restock starting 15 - 12.

We will be back open for business in the first week of January."

(from their homepage)

oops reading fail - punkture beat me to the extractor obviously...

ooh dibs on the Kettler and the crank extractor please...

Let us know the results anyway Bikebuilder. Rather you take the costs of the trial and error than me :-)

haha yes please do!

I may be coming across as a miserably pessimistic sod in this thread but secretly I'd love to know for sure whether it would work or not...

(I just don't want anyone ending up with £300 worth of kit they can't use) :(

80mm would probably be ok BikeBuilder (mine looks to be similar). I assume White's calculations are based on giving a cautious guarantee of a 5mm gap which would be fine on an MTB but unusual on a track bike (my previous chainring was so close it would scrape the paint when honking up hills!).

Kerley is right though - it's much more likely that you won't be able to tighten the crank arm down properly without it (or, in this case, the lockring) hitting the cup.

Hopefully this pic will illustrate what I'm driving at...

Try to overlook the poor quality and generally shocking level of filth - I can't face cleaning it or finding a proper camera right now I'm afraid! :)

This is the lockring clearance I have using a 111 BB - so you would be bringing this 4mm closer I think. You can probably see why I have concerns about it working - it's gonna be a tight squeeze methinks?

Sounds ok to me for the crank arm yeah.

However, in order to run the 44t chainring they say you need 85mm width limit, 92mm from the BB line. Bear in mind you would be bringing all these measurements 5mm closer on each side so you'll need nearer to 75mm to have it covered by their standards.

Then that just leaves the pesky lockring (which was the issue I was originally most concerned about - and is the problem they refer to in the other forum links).

And just to add to the evidence that this is not an exact science - here's a guy who claims to be using a 107 bb for a 43mm chainline. Possibly moved off centre with a Phil BB??

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ride/471935577/in/photostream/

Yup 44 x 16 is what I use, but then I'm no trackie...

Bikebuilder, the Sugino, or any JIS square taper BB, would be functionally ok for your requirements and 103 is the mathematically correct length for your chosen chainline if using an Eno.

I still have big concerns about clearance though I'm afraid. Googling around I can't seem to find anyone running a BB that narrow - in fact, the only reference I could find was from someone on another forum saying it wouldn't work...

http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch/browse_thread/thread/8ab5a17a67afc798

White have instructions on their site regarding chainring and crank clearance...

http://www.whiteind.com/techcorner/crankinstructions.html
http://www.whiteind.com/images/ENO_CHAIN_RING_CLEARANCE_GUIDE.pdf

I'd be worried that they repeatedly mention that you may need to use a BB bigger than 113 to achieve clearance (and don't even cover the possibility of using one narrower than this).

The LFGSS transmission DB also has a few details of Eno user setups and it seems 110 is the smallest being used.

http://www.londonfgss.com/thread3372-6.html#post1091211

My personal opinion is that even a 107 might be pushing it...

If you have direct communications open with White, could you ask them for their opinion on achieving lockring, chainring and crank clearance with a BB that narrow? I would assume you aren't the first person to try and achieve a 42mm chainline with their cranks?! :)

was this car made of polystyrene?