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ta2, have you actually spend a lots of time adjusting the saddle position? sometime the most uncomfortable saddle ever end up being very comfortable with a slight change.

rise stem a bit, rise/lower saddle a bit, set it back a bit, angle it slightly, etc.

one last thing, go to an Evans shop and ask them if they have those Specialized sit-bones measurment tools, and find out your sit bones width.
Yes, I have spent ages with different saddles on different bikes with different stems etc, always the same problem to varying degree.

That saddle above is the ugliest looking saddle I have ever seen, lol.

Have you tried the XO with the cut out? I had that for a while and it was pretty good.

Looks pretty much the same as the Specialized one I have at the moment.

You could try one of these...?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SELLE-SMP-TRK-MAN-SADDLE-BLACK-or-BROWN_W0QQitemZ180533098199QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=&rvr_id=&cguid=de0f20421260a0aad4e45864fffc21df

Awesome, didn't think they did any cheap ones. Think I will try one of these to see if they work. If it does I can stick it on my beater and get a lighter one for my best bike.

Cheers guys

saddles are a very personal thing. What is comfortable for one person might be horrible for everyone else. If you like a saddle with a cut out then stick with it.
Tilting your saddle forward very slightly will relieve some of the pressure from the perenium as well.
Yup of course, but unfortunately they are also something which you can't just try out and then send back, because you'll have marked the rails when you attach it to your bike. I have my saddle tilted slightly forward, which helps slightly but doesn't solve the issue.

I have tried quiet a few saddles in the past, but only one has come close to being pain-free.

San Macro Rolls - 0/10 - Initially extremely comfortable, but after about 5 minutes on the saddle this gets translated into extreme pain, as apparently all the blood going to my private parts gets cut off completely.
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Charge Spoon - 3/10** - Pretty good fit but a fair amount of pressure. Have only ridden a few miles on it as it was a commuter.

Selle Italia XO - 2/10 - Pretty good fit again, modest amount of pressure, but ultimately I slid around because of the retarded 'gel feature' - this one came with a bike, wouldn't have chosen it myself.
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Specialized Alias - 6/10 - **As you can see, it's got a fairly generous cutout in the middle. If only the cutout went a little bit further along. :( I have two of these which are supposed to be the same, but one is softer than the other for some reason. This is the one I currently use.

After doing some research, it seems this is a pretty common problem which is ultimately solved by adjusting the saddle. Well obviously I have tried this and not found an acceptable solution. Just had a quick look on Wiggle and a few 'pro' manufacturer websites (Selle Italia, Fizik, Selle San Marco) and not only do none of them have big cutouts, but most of them don't have any cutout at all. This is MADNESS!! :p

So looking at the 'other' manufacturers on Wiggle which I have never heard of, I found 'Selle SMP'. ALL of their saddles have extreme cutouts like this. Whilst they are extremely expensive (starting at £160!! :O), still having full use of my penis in a few years time is worth the cost. That said, obviously I don't want to risk buying one and not have the desired results. Anyone else have this extreme sensitivity to 'perenium' pressure? I'm thinking the cause is that my arse doesn't have enough padding underneath the sit-bones, resulting in the rest of me being significantly lower down and closer to the saddle. I have tried all sorts of tilts of the saddle. I probably have the saddle/seatpost a bit lower than I should, because it does help allieviate problems slightly. I don't ride in a particularly aggressive position and infact still get a lot of pressure when I'm on the hoods. Has anyone tried this specific brand of saddles? Are there any other saddles like this but cheaper?

Course it makes sense. I will just never be lost because I will always know where I am on the map thanks to GPS.

because if you could read a map, then you wouldnt be lost

You're assuming that you're near some recognisable landmark or place which you'll need in order to find where you are.

Paper maps are dead. ;)

no, wrong, a gps can tell you where your exact location is, and then another location point, but fuck all about what is in between, what do you do then mate?
Have a look at where I am on the map which the phone has downloaded thanks to the GPS data. :P Or use TomTom which has all the maps saved onto the phone.

no holding the corner to get signal,
Nah that's the new version designed especially for people with too much money. I got mine off eBay. :P

Maps are no good if you're lost, unlike GPS. ;)

Where'd that post go? :p

Awesome website! Never knew it was compatible with this 'Cyclemeter' I have for my iPhone.

http://ridewithgps.com/trips/70595

That's my normal route, nice and calm roads and just about the right distance.

I will be there (geared) for a trip to Lulworth. Ferrys leave at 11:00, 11:20 etc.

Lulworth Route: [ame]http://www.bikemap.net/route/596583[/ame]
Corfe Route: [ame]http://www.bikemap.net/route/227424[/ame]

If you wanted a route which is a bit more difficult than the Corfe one then there's this as well: [ame]http://www.bikemap.net/route/227421[/ame]

I think it's the chain tension. I got it as tight as I could with socket wrench - any tips?
At the bottom bracket, hold onto the frame and wheel and push the wheel back as hard as you can. Push the wheel so that it touches the drive-side chainstay.

Tighten the drive side wheel nut moderately, so that the wheel won't slide in that dropout.

Now push the wheel back towards the non-drive side, so that it's aligned correctly, tighten the non-drive side nut. As you tighten this one, it will also pull the wheel back towards the non-drive side. Now tighten them both equally, really tightly.

thanks guys, is this first hand experience? all I read about these is how hard they are to install. my thumbs are almost blistered from my first efforts!
Yes it's first hand experience. Remember the tyres are really strong, you won't be able to break them if you're installing them properly, but they do take a lot of effort to get on. I'd say I pushed hard enough on my tyre levers to move a desk, if that's any help.

I am clearly a wuss... I am finding it impossible to install these on my stock Charge Plug rims. Can anyone help?
Put gloves on and attack from both sides with tyre levers. You'll need to put a lot of effort in, so the gloves are incase you slip.

Yeh I noticed that too; very harsh given how badly Wigan are playing this year I'd have thought. I'm surprised he thinks a novice team like Sky are more likely to help him win the tour than Garmin; putting my cynic's hat on again I wonder just what sort of a salary Sky have mentioned? I'd hate him to go to Sky because as the tattoo on my arse says "Only idiots work for Rupert Murdoch".

Wigan 3 - 1 Chelsea

A sign of things to come? :P

"It's like trying to win the Champions League - you need to be at Manchester United but I'm playing at **Wigan **at the moment so I have to make that step up." - Bradley Wiggins

http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/4536775.Cyclist_suffers_serious_injuries/?ref=mr

PM'd.

P.S. Luke

People who are near Poole/Bournemouth (I'll Update as people add themselves):

Tenbears10
Sweans308
Pifko
Kerley
emmeff
Smudgley
Arducius
Stevieboy
guffer
Edward_Wolf
tombarnett
me ?? :P

Awesome, I wish people gave me bikes for free. :P

you dont know how inventive he is (or isnt)

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Think 3-speed just means it's got 120mm rear spacing and horizontal dropouts. :)

Think you might have difficulty putting together a whole fixed from local shops. :p

how about these?

Maybe you can get a better aero position with these?

So considering the population of Bournemouth - if they patrolled all the streets and totally eliminated cyclist-pedestrian incidents, they would stop 1 serious accident every 20 years? Money well spent.

At the end of the day, this guy is a cock, so you aren't gonna get your money back directly - don't waste your time arguing with him. Just follow the PayPal dispute system, write your replies truthfully but sternly and then PayPal will decide if you get your money back. PayPal dispute does work.

1. You're encouraging the little chavvy scumbags to steal more bikes.
   
2. It's wrong.
   
3. If someone spots the bike as being there's, you'll have to give it back.
   
4. It's illegal to handle stolen goods.
   

Fuck. You almost deserve to get ripped off if you don't bother to check the pictures.

Still looks a bit shit though IMO
Obviously, it's got Shimano on it. :P