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somewhere in between to avoid unpleasant displays of lower back. makes it easier to wear normal non-cycling tops.
also if you want any guinea pigs re toughness of fabric just shout. my saddle eats normal jeans for breakfast and then rapha jeans for lunch.
thanks again for this feedback, it's really helpful.
I pick up my full length trouser sample on Monday! I'm really excited and will be posting some pictures soon. I can confirm that there will be no cracks, camel toes or muffin tops - and if there are the pattern will be changing! Same with the fabric - i've chosen some with a long history of workwear strength - but if it doesn't stand up to cycling, then it's back to the drawing board.
Trouser fabrics are all dark colours - I've never really understood light colours for cycling trousers. Although I am looking into 'wine' coloured cotton... which I really like.
I am hoping that I have got all the necessary cycling specific features to make them really functional, without too many stylised functions to make them unaffordable. I'm looking forward to your feedback anyway.
I have a 'Ninja Style' black merino base layer and snood sample on the way too - with long arms and long body! Can't wait...
By the way - do people like to wear their trousers on their hips - waist, or somewhere in between? I'm a hips girl myself, but realise that I might not be in the majority.
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I cycled the shimanami kaido in an epic none stop journey from Hiroshima to Matsuyama - fixed. It killed me. But was bloody beautiful! Totally recommended. Just take the night bus down to Onomichi if you dont want to do the extra bit from Hiroshima. And then get the ferry from Matsuyama back to Osaka/Kobe. Sorted!
we rode the first 20k or so from imabari and then turned back because we were going along the north coast of shikoku, but it was amazing. part of a three week 1500k amble from kyushu to tokyo. photies here and here if anyone's interested
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my vote would be trousers. trousers trouser trousers. or leggings, or whatever. bottoms.
I'm with a few people above - ananichoola and cyclodelic and such make lovely-looking things, but i'm not a girly-girl, really not into pink and i just don't feel comfortable in things that look so 'styled'. similarly i couldn't get the hang of the swerve 3/4s although i know they are much loved by some. tops-wise i generally make do with some merino underneath whatever keeps me warm and doesn't reveal unsightly things, but the big gap for me is trousers and jeans i like on and off the bike, so chinos sound great.
I also wear quite a bit of rapha although i'm far from happy with the women's baselayer (too thin, short on waist, gets baggy really easily, seems to be a different fabric to the mens' one, which is odd), and i squeeze myself into their jeans because they don't get destroyed in the ass quite as quickly as the rest of my trousers. my other half has rapha knitwear which is super lovely and much stolen.
personally i'm a big merino fan, despite rapha comments above. I've had a howies baselayer for five years now and its still going strong despite being worn on average for a third of all my rides.
um, end of feedback. this sounds like exciting stuff and i hope you'll keep giving us peeks of the creative process. ~~ also thanks to this thread i've discovered that levi's have started doing commuters in size 27. off to check them out. ~~
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Something like these, but I can't afford the £50 they cost new. Cheers!