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They're Campagnolo 'Centaur'. Says 172.5 on the chain ring arm.

The bcd/pcd (bolt/pitch circle diameter) is the distance between the bolts - centre to centre - that hold the chainring.
172.5 is the arm length
135mm is your bcd i believe from having a quick search.

If you are ever unsure of anything check this out http://www.sheldonbrown.com/
RIP

If someone from here outbid me on t'bay for some ski poles, im gone smack yo sorry ass!

Photos ain't great but i'll try to upload the vid

Dan, I'm headed down there and bring your mallet I'm sure we could hussle for a game.

Wanted - Ski poles.
It's the summer what you going to need em for anyway? What with climate change there wont be any snow in a few years.
Bike Polo 4 Life y'all.

Just so people have enough notice...
**
BIKE POLO EVERY WED
MEET 6:00-6:10 AT ON YOUR BIKE
**OR AT THE CALTHORPE PARK COURT 6:20

Also, if anyone knows where you can get cheap ABS piping that's has a diameter of +60mm please let me know.
If you see any construction sites that have some, also let me know.

I'm going to make more mallets and sell them on at cost price, so people can play whenever/wherever they please.

Best balls are street hockey balls similar to these.

Hi there I live in Brum though everyone should take a look at the following...

We've doing research since this demo on the 4th july (can't believe didn't hear about it!!!)

Indymedia link - photos show Wigan Mike(?) and the bloke in the sunglasses has been 'security' for all the bnp demos I've seen in town [Brum].
(http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regio...?c=on#comments)

This is some info a friend found out...

*"The English Defence League has been born out of protests by "United
People of Luton" and "March for England", against Muslim protesters
who challenged/verbally abused British soldiers on their home coming
parade. I ran a WHOIS query on their website and the registered
owner is Chris Renton who also appears on the BNP membership list.
Now that the European elections are over the BNP are jumping on any
bandwagon they can to further their crypto-fascist cause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-fascism

Thus why Nick Griffin is on the radio today rubbishing a recent
report which has found that asylum seekers do not get preferential
treatment to white people. The BNP backed English Defence League are
using the extremist Muslim protests as a vehicle for Islamaphobia,
to convert "normal" (sic) people to be racist if you like. Most of
EDL's recruits are from football firms, and I think this is not
accident, in all likelihood the BNP are attempting to create a
militant and up-for-it front group to do their dirty work whilst
maintaining plausible deniability.

** Wikipedia (Links) *

• Football_hooliganism *
  
• Wikipedia (Links) *
  
• List_of_hooligan_firms *
  
• Wikipedia (Links) *
  
• Plausible_deniability *
  *
  Since Nick Griffin was egged at the end of the European Elections
  and had to be rushed off, I am sure he feels a bit nervous that he
  was seemingly so vulnerable to a group of not particularly radical
  anti-fascists. This strategy has been used historically in other
  European countries by fascist groups, and as a result football
  ultras in Italy or Spain are almost always partisan, either far left
  or far right.
  
  

If you have not seen these videos you should watch them:-

http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index....=0&#entry30614

** YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

*
[LEFT] YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. [/LEFT]

*
http://www.casttv.com/video/nt7kbr/p...7th-2009-video

I do not think that the idea that everyone in EDL is racist is clear
cut, looking at the video of the protest I saw the odd black face,
and apparently the Zulus (Birmingham city firm) are involved and
they are a mixed race firm. I think some of them will be unhappy to
find out the group is run by a BNP member, as there were seemingly
"No NF" (National Front) banners at the demo, which is perverse. I
don't know a lot about firms but I think they tend to be run by
leaders, so I imagine allegiances would be up to them.

So, how to counter this?

Well, I think a Birmingham Indymedia feature would be a good start,
then I think we should have an national Indymedia feature where we
expand on the Birmingham feature calling out for a mobilisation in
Birmingham on August 8th. We need to call on anti-fascist groups
from around the country. Also, Birmingham is a diverse and
multi-cultural city and I don't think the people of Birmingham are
going to stand for this shit. There is already a Facebook group with
143 members:-

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100179777051

I have some lefty contacts within Asian communities who we can
liaise with. We also need to actively seek out people from local
football firms who might support this, and also black communities,
and encourage them to mobilise too.

In terms of the politics of this, I think we need a coherent
message. The EDL are a crypto-fascist organisation, and they are
attempting to conflate Islam and Islamic extremism. Although I
generally dislike all forms of organised religion, most Muslims are
moderate and tolerant people, and the freedom for people to practice
whatever belief system they want is a basic liberty. The irony here
is that the BNP who are behind the EDL have a lot in common with
Islamo-fascism; they despise people who do not conform to their
worldview, they are racist, sexist, authoritarian, support the death
penalty, and are imperialistic. So, aligning the BNP with radical
and comparing the similarities could be a good strategy. Demanding
that members of EDL change sides to fight all forms of fascism could
be interesting.

I also think challenging their propaganda directly is important.
Most of the material from the "promotional video" is lifted straight
from the Daily Mail, a paper not known for it's factual accuracy.
Their key strategy appears to be turning a small extremist minority
into some overshadowing spectre, and they are doing this by
suggesting that all Muslims are involved in this 'conspiracy'. There
is also the other side of the coin which is the rise of far-right
terrorism:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/ju...-threat-police

It is not as if radical Islam is the only threat.

Both are far right, and both are about defending 'their people'. One
is fuelled by British /US/Israeli foreign policy, and the other is
fuelled by the recession. Which is why I think a class analysis is
also needed. British foreign policy is about securing future
resources and markets at the expense of people (in this case
Muslims). The recession is the result of elitist profligacy, our
economy has been sunk by the richest people who are leaching of all
of us, and now they want us (the working class) to pay for this. So,
they bring in divide and rule tactics. They ask the white working
class to blame anyone who is 'foreign'. Any political party which
supports neo-liberalism will basically benefit from the rise of the
far right, who have an interest to mislay the blame."*

We've doing research since this demo on the 4th july (can't believe didn't hear about it!!!)

Indymedia link - photos show Wigan Mike(?) and the bloke in the sunglasses has been 'security' for all the bnp demos I've seen in town.
(http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/regions/birmingham/2009/07/433760.html?c=on#comments)

This is some info a friend found out...

*"The English Defence League has been born out of protests by "United
People of Luton" and "March for England", against Muslim protesters
who challenged/verbally abused British soldiers on their home coming
parade. I ran a WHOIS query on their website and the registered
owner is Chris Renton who also appears on the BNP membership list.
Now that the European elections are over the BNP are jumping on any
bandwagon they can to further their crypto-fascist cause.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto-fascism

Thus why Nick Griffin is on the radio today rubbishing a recent
report which has found that asylum seekers do not get preferential
treatment to white people. The BNP backed English Defence League are
using the extremist Muslim protests as a vehicle for Islamaphobia,
to convert "normal" (sic) people to be racist if you like. Most of
EDL's recruits are from football firms, and I think this is not
accident, in all likelihood the BNP are attempting to create a
militant and up-for-it front group to do their dirty work whilst
maintaining plausible deniability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hooligan_firms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability

Since Nick Griffin was egged at the end of the European Elections
and had to be rushed off, I am sure he feels a bit nervous that he
was seemingly so vulnerable to a group of not particularly radical
anti-fascists. This strategy has been used historically in other
European countries by fascist groups, and as a result football
ultras in Italy or Spain are almost always partisan, either far left
or far right.

If you have not seen these videos you should watch them:-

http://www.uepengland.com/bbs/index.php?showtopic=13198&st=0&#entry30614

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.casttv.com/video/nt7kbr/police-escort-to-whitechapel-protest-english-welsh-defence-league-june-27th-2009-video

I do not think that the idea that everyone in EDL is racist is clear
cut, looking at the video of the protest I saw the odd black face,
and apparently the Zulus (Birmingham city firm) are involved and
they are a mixed race firm. I think some of them will be unhappy to
find out the group is run by a BNP member, as there were seemingly
"No NF" (National Front) banners at the demo, which is perverse. I
don't know a lot about firms but I think they tend to be run by
leaders, so I imagine allegiances would be up to them.

So, how to counter this?

Well, I think a Birmingham Indymedia feature would be a good start,
then I think we should have an national Indymedia feature where we
expand on the Birmingham feature calling out for a mobilisation in
Birmingham on August 8th. We need to call on anti-fascist groups
from around the country. Also, Birmingham is a diverse and
multi-cultural city and I don't think the people of Birmingham are
going to stand for this shit. There is already a Facebook group with
143 members:-

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=100179777051

I have some lefty contacts within Asian communities who we can
liaise with. We also need to actively seek out people from local
football firms who might support this, and also black communities,
and encourage them to mobilise too.

In terms of the politics of this, I think we need a coherent
message. The EDL are a crypto-fascist organisation, and they are
attempting to conflate Islam and Islamic extremism. Although I
generally dislike all forms of organised religion, most Muslims are
moderate and tolerant people, and the freedom for people to practice
whatever belief system they want is a basic liberty. The irony here
is that the BNP who are behind the EDL have a lot in common with
Islamo-fascism; they despise people who do not conform to their
worldview, they are racist, sexist, authoritarian, support the death
penalty, and are imperialistic. So, aligning the BNP with radical
and comparing the similarities could be a good strategy. Demanding
that members of EDL change sides to fight all forms of fascism could
be interesting.

I also think challenging their propaganda directly is important.
Most of the material from the "promotional video" is lifted straight
from the Daily Mail, a paper not known for it's factual accuracy.
Their key strategy appears to be turning a small extremist minority
into some overshadowing spectre, and they are doing this by
suggesting that all Muslims are involved in this 'conspiracy'. There
is also the other side of the coin which is the rise of far-right
terrorism:-

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/06/far-right-terrorism-threat-police

It is not as if radical Islam is the only threat.

Both are far right, and both are about defending 'their people'. One
is fuelled by British /US/Israeli foreign policy, and the other is
fuelled by the recession. Which is why I think a class analysis is
also needed. British foreign policy is about securing future
resources and markets at the expense of people (in this case
Muslims). The recession is the result of elitist profligacy, our
economy has been sunk by the richest people who are leaching of all
of us, and now they want us (the working class) to pay for this. So,
they bring in divide and rule tactics. They ask the white working
class to blame anyone who is 'foreign'. Any political party which
supports neo-liberalism will basically benefit from the rise of the
far right, who have an interest to mislay the blame."*

Cheers for everyone who came, sorry it was a bit of a muted start due to rain but it ended well.
**
ALLEYCAT**
1st - Nick (he had some legs on him I tell ye)

1. Igor
   
2. Simon
   4= Shamim
   4= Nathan
   DFL - Steve (puncture)
   DQ - Adrian (missed 1 checkpoint)
   
   

Track Stand Comp - Simon
Footdown - Igor

Grand Prix
1st - Nick

1. - Simon
   
2. - Nathan
   
3. - Dan
   
4. - Tom
   
5. - Kevin
   
6. - Igor
   
   

Car Park Climb (just the top three)
1st - Nick

1. - Tom
   
2. - Igor
   
   
   

Task 1 maze

Task 2 Cuecumber sandwich [thinly sliced, no crust, in triangles].

Final two in track stand comp.

Igor swipes in footdown

Igor's photos (more pretty) -
http://madzero.net/index.php?page=lifegal&article=014-bikezilla

Regular Bike Polo Night Wed - from 6pm

This week meet at:
On Your Bike
33-40 Bradford Street
B5 6HX

I've got mallets and balls noobs and pros (ha!) welcome.
If people could suggest good places they know i.e b-ball courts and car parks. Maybe try here.
If people want my number just 'pm' me.

People still up for this even if the weather is shit?
Let me know. Cheers

Cheers Adam.
Also, got some emails from oxford if people want to head down there for a friendly/check out the bike workshop???

Cheers all.
I'll try dfp as he's closest. Though Cotteridge and Harborne ain't too far.
dfp can I pick up this eve, i'll have em done by tomorrow?

http://www.londonfgss.com/thread22347.html

Might go if we can get a team together [after a month of brutal training].

Anyone able to lend a drill and some bits so I can make some polo mallets this weekend or next week??? (DFP?)
Cheers

I'll try to pop along for an hour

I'll buy that chain ring Hyper'.....

Sold!

1pm then. It's only about 20 miles.

I'm down with that, how does everyone else feel?

We can have a trackstand comp no problem.
Just wanted the emphasis to be on riding as opposed to fixed.

A small group of us are riding to Stratford-upon-Avon on Sunday (14th).
Meeting between 1-2pm outside the Bulls Head in Moseley.

The pace will be steady (no more than 10mph?) but if enough of you peeps show I'm willing to go ahead of the pack for a bit of a faster ride.
Anyone know a good pub or two?

all bike types welcome...

itinerary up now

New Sugino 48t chainring 130 bcd 1/8 silver. £5.

I bought 4 ski pole from t' bay and am building proper mallets up with ABS (non-brittle) piping - though could always do with more.
There's one with your name on it dan, not literally, that would be plain weird.

http://www.hardcourtbikepolo.com/?page_id=6