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there's a few examples here: http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress...ndons-streets/

dunno if that's a total take down though does challenge the view of "London's narrow streets". the most worrying surely is that where roads are wide there are projects that don't do much for cycling, such as Aldgate, Blackfriars Bridge, Broad Lane

I'm more aware of the tendency of late-night internet conversations to be intemperate and largely pointless! The worst of all possible worlds would be for cycle campaigners to enter Judean People's Front type arguments when there is actually broad agreement. The present provision (in London at least) fails both experts such as ourselves, who ignore all cycle infrastructure, and non-experts who either rely on flawed infrastructure and then give up, or try it out and realize it is too dangerous, or try to keep going without expertise or infrastructure and take terrible risks. Something must change. I'd be interested to see more ideas about what the change would look like.

the first link is about separation (the subject of this thread), the second about training and competence (discussed immediately above) so you can see why I linked to them. The thing that convinced me is the realization that we should have some kind of cycle provision that minimizes interactions with motorized traffic. I say this as a Londoner who's 'proudly' played with traffic for more than 20 years, including a stint as a wild-eyed courier.

Oliver - what an odd comment. The blog I linked to contains thousands of words about UK cycling provision as well as some very interesting and relevant pictures of towns and cities across the UK, as well as some Dutch cities.

I usually respect what you have to say but here I can only conclude you haven't looked at the blog for more than a few seconds otherwise you'd realize what you wrote doesn't make sense (or you're trying to criticize the blog but don't want to do so directly).

For instance: a long write up of the recent LCC AGM: http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/space-for-cycling-confirmed-as-separation-from-motor-traffic/

A detailed write up of the failures of the Broad Lane plans: http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/10/06/broad-lane-the-great-tfl-supertanker-ploughs-on/

Edited to add: have just noticed the reference to Oliver in the latest post ... is this an ideological thing?

Edited to add further: I'm a professional print editor so I can probably work out how to read a blog all by myself!

I used to think separation wasn't a good idea, until I started reading this blog

http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/09/23/separate-to-liberate/

http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/the-myth-of-incompetence/

http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/the-physical-constraints-of-londons-streets/

@babybat - I ride thru Tooley St / Q. Elizabeth St / Tower Bridge daily. Police were there BEFORE the incident and after. Is probably one of the standard checks, and I believe they were checking car drivers for ASL rather than bikes.

Also today saw dumper trucks being stopped by the police in some kind of organized check on Mansell Street.

Rode past the scene earlier. Confirm what se1 said, truck heading north on bridge and turning left on queen elizabeth st. Hope rider ok. That bridge is one of worst places on my commute and neither drivers nor many cyclists play it safe

RIP to this guy. I ride this junction every day and it's not safe.

it ain't really about the bike ... my favourite race bike was a heavy-ish mountain bike I built from scratch to fit me exactly. fit seems more important than anything else, in my experience.

Tom here ... and congrats to the other Tom. Glad to hear the volunteers are working through the lists. It's a complex job to maintain all the spaces as bikes get moved around and this isn't recorded. I made a start on tracking the bikes last year and hope someone else can build from the info I gathered. Shame I couldn't finish the job but a new job and some family stuff means different priorities this year. Hope to still train at the track, when the weather sorts itself out ...

The waiting list for spaces was pretty long when I last saw it.

As for emails, I was away for much of December so apologies for slow response to those. I replied to all once I got back and the new arrangements were agreed. Though some were along the lines of "I'd like to store my bike at the track, can I bring my bike along next week?" so people may have ended up a bit grumpy as that wasn't possible.

And for parking, you can park in Gallery Road for free all day and that's a short (track bike) ride away from HH.

In Strava land maybe, but he's hardly been at the front of the race in the mountains has he?

Indeed. Be interesting to see times and speeds today though. The peleton always seems to motor (not literally now Sparticus is out) up these hills.

Random fact: Ten Dam is uploading his times etc on Strava. Unsurprisingly he's won a few KOMs

http://www.b3takit.co.uk/site/smug-bastard/

I didn't know Tommy Voeckler or Wiggins was a fan of b3ta

http://ukcyclesport.com/track-racing/6261-dulwich-paragon-track-meeting-2012

More photos here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/67368776@N02/sets/72157630480928516/with/7528482226/

I'm trying not to get drawn into a debate but as one of the people calling out numbers I know for a fact no-one called out your number (1); the first number called out was 25. I'm sorry you misheard but it's not the judge's fault. The case with number 19 was close but we have to take the judge's word for it. Moreover, if anyone should have a problem it was one of the A cats but he took his exclusion on the chin even though he had quite a good case to be miffed.

Cheers HB. I think you surprised everyone - including yourself - getting into that final. There's always a couple of races that make for entertainment.

Arben - I understand the devil is infuriating when you think the wrong result is called but I don't appreciate you criticising the race on a public forum. Yesterday was the time to have a problem with the result. We had 5-6 people on the line and 4 people calling the numbers. And if you thought the result was wrong we even had someone on the line with a recording it on camera.

Photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/116280796836472453280/July7OpenRace?authuser=0&feat=directlink

The rain held off and we got a full afternoon of racing in.

Given the gloomy weather forecasts it was an event dominated by the local racers, both young and senior. Racing was fast and competitive. Symon Lewis, Tony Lock, James Solly, John Coolahan, Alan Strang and Iain Cook continued their season-long battle in the A Cats. In the B Cats promising juniors Hisham Al-Ramal and Tom Kennison were busy at the front.

(Very provisional) results

B Cat 10 lap scratch:
Hisham Al-Ramal, George Jary, Tom Kennison, 4?, Fred Wright, Arben Zilci

A Cat 12 lap scratch:
Tony Lock, Symon Lewis, James Solly, John Coolahan, Iain Cook, Alan Strang

Youth 5 lap scratch:
172, 175, 171, 173, 174

Match Sprint:
Heat 1: Symon Lewis, Kieran Laurie
Heat 2: James Solly, Tom Kennison
Heat 3: Andrew Bradshaw, Iain Cook
Heat 4: Tony Lock, Henry Martin
Heat 5: John Coolahan, Jim Hillbilly

Youth 2 lap dash:
172, 175, 171, 173, 174

B Cat win out:
Tom Kennison, Danny Clifford, George Jary, Hisham Al-Ramal, Fred Wright, Chris McGovern

A Cat win out:
Tony Lock, James Solly, Symon Lewis, Iain Cook, Carlos Concilao, Tom Bell

Youth devil
175, 172, 171

Women 2 lap dash
Clare Gillott, Lesley Pinder, Gabina Toleikyte

Match sprint:
Semi final 1: John Coolahan, Symon Lewis
Semi final 2: Tony Lock, Jim Hillbilly

B Cat devil:
Tom Kennison, Hisham Al-Ramal, Fred Wright, Chris McGovern, Jacob Kennison, Andrew Bradshaw

A Cat devil:
Symon Lewis, Tony Lock, James Solly, John Coolahan

Women’s handicap
Gabina Toleikyte, Lesley Pinder, Clare Gillott

Match sprint final:
Symon Lewis, Tony Lock, John Coolahan, Jim Hillbilly

20km:
James Solly, Iain Cook, Tony Lock, Symon Lewis, Alan Strang, 117
Prime 1: Tom Bell
Prime 2: Iain Cook

OPEN TRACK MEETING

7 JULY 2012 @ 2.30PM

1. B 10 Lap Scratch
   
2. A 12 lap Scratch
   
3. U12 Scratch 5 lap scratch
   
4. U16 Scratch 6 lap scratch
   
5. Match sprint heats (two to qualify)
   
6. U12 2 lap dash
   
7. U16 2 lap dash
   
8. B win out
   
9. A win out
   
10. U12 devil
    
11. U16 devil
    
12. Women’s 3 lap dash
    
13. Match sprint semi-finals (two to qualify)
    
14. B devil
    
15. A devil
    
16. Women’s devil
    
17. Match sprint final
    
18. A & B 20k
    
    

PROMOTED BY DULWICH PARAGON
PART OF HERNE HILL VELODROME’S OPEN TRACK SEASON

this is not the finalised programme but is roughly right.

Had a scary experience with silver Renault Laguna T472 MOE this morning. I overtake on the inside, in the gutter, as traffic slow then move into the lane. Driver goes completely bananas at this innocuous move. Drives his car at me twice, shouting and screaming, then overtakes with a sideswipe, then tries to sideswipe other cyclists still shouting and screaming. Scary guy.

Cheers for the support to the guy on the mountainbike. If you see this get in touch. tfreke at hotmail com or pm me.

I rode up to some police later on the way in and asked what would happen if I reported it. They said most likely they wouldn't prosecute because of cuts.

programme is still slightly up for grabs so any strong preferences may be accommodated.

Re photography I think people should just be a little more aware that many participants see training sessions as private and if there's going to be photographs and filming then other participants may wish to know how the images will be used.

"It seems that more than fitness or track craft or anything else the biggest "skill" you need to ride well on the track is to take a look before you move anywhere. Would that be accurate?"

It's a massive part of it, IMO. I now ride around the roads using the same "look first" skills as I do on the track. I wouldn't say looking is the only skill tho - there's lots of smaller elements about group skills, etiquette, managing efforts etc. One of my favourites is to remember not to stare at the wheel in front but try to focus on the group, and what's going on four-five bikes in front.

Re photography. Sometimes it seems people are focusing more on that then on the cycling.