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Almost ALL electricity is generated using unsustainable resources that threaten the future of our energy-reliant economy, and generate heat and gases that threaten our plane t= Electric vehicles are just as bad as petrol ones.

I agree, whilst decent electric motors might have an efficiency of 85 - 90% (toolbox) the electricity used to power it more than likely comes from a big gas turbine power station which will have an efficiency of around 50% (I think) giving an overall efficiency (not considering losses in transmission and electric cars just being generally shit) around 42 - 45% which is roughly the same efficiency as a Petrol engine. So no real point (apart from the fact that Gas turbine power stations are a bit cleaner) If you want a green lifestyle, go to new zealand. I think they are the only country with a carbon neutral power plant.

Fair enough, my bad.

You mean to fit a 120 hub into a 126 frame?

I did done got me some washers

Don't need all of them so could prob fling some ur way when I get them thru, unless this is totally wrong

Cheers Chris, I'll have a crack with the 290's then, gonna pick them up at the weekend and get them built up. All depending of course if the postman decides to walk up the stairs to the flat and deliver my hubs and stuff rather than just popping the little red slip through the door.

Aah Jimbo, actually got on here last night after I went and bought a rim and a hub, now I'm trying to get me some spokes. A bike trip would be splendid, Caleb is supposed to be living in Amsterdam this year so a bit of norfolk and holland could work, what say you?

Well we also stayed in a little place called Noordvijk (stayokay again, think there is a flying pig there as well) which is about 1 1/2 - 2 miles from the beach, awesome at sunset.

40 odd miles for amsterdam tho. This is as far as my knowledge goes.

So 292mm is the order of the day?! Cheers Mr Balls, I hope you find a home for your spokes.

Cheers for the offer Dogs, I'm actually at uni in Edinburgh at the mo and have a mate up here who can build the wheel up for me (and hopefully teach me a little of the art). Do you think 290 would actually fit or should I go with the spoke calc?

Last summer I stayed in a stayokay hostel in the middle of amsterdam, vondelpark I think. It had secure bike lock up and huge continental breakfast in the morning. Think they are around 30euro a night. Don't know about campsites though so this is probably next to useless to you.

Hey guys, thought I'd carry on a thread rather then start a new one only to be told 'Search function is a wonderful thing'

I've just bought a Mavic Open Sport rim and On-One double fixed hub. I've put the appropriate info into various spoke calculators (32h 3x) and come back with a spoke length of 293mm. Seeing as I'm obviously going for the cheapest wheel build possible (Rim £14.99 from chainreaction, hub £17 inc p&p) I was hoping to get me some of the ACI alpina db spokes but they come in either 292 or 294mm sizes, do I round up or down? Sheldon says round up so I'm tempted to do this but was hoping for clarification, any help would be muchly appreciated.

Cheers, Bern

Hi new on here.

My first road bike was an old Shorter, prob from the 70's - 80's, had a load of old campy neuvo record (?) on it and either a 531 db frame or columbus. Bought it off a friend of my dads. It was built by a guy called Barry Chick, supposedly a very good frame builder. Anyway, said bike is half way to becoming fixed gear.