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Super cool. I'm in. See you all there.

Do you mean is the poll just for women?

Yep, that was the plan, given it's about the women's jersey.

Ok, poll set up: http://www.lfgss.com/thread92657.html

Let's vote!

Quick recap on the reason for this poll:

I questioned if we really need ‘ladies’ on the jersey… when we could have ‘women’.

I’ve been doing archival research into 'the bike, the bloomer and the female cyclist in late 19th century Britain'*. Basically to cut it short, it tells a pretty awesome story of the fight women had to escape the domestic sphere, ride safely (ie. bloomers etc) and challenge draconian Victorian ideals of femininity. Remember this was a time when exercise (as well as education) was viewed as compromising a woman’s health and her potential to reproduce!

Despite winning many of the freedoms we appreciate today, a number of social restrictions of the time transferred to women on bikes - ie. the construction of 'the lady cyclist’ - with much pressure to appear ‘graceful’, ‘becoming’, ‘neat’, ‘sensible’, ‘charming’, ‘dignified’, ‘modest’, (while a discourse of heroism linked men and cycling with ‘speed’, ‘agility’, ‘performance’, ‘champion’, ‘professional’ ‘skill’ etc).

My argument is that vestiges of ‘the lady cyclist’ continue today to shape (and limit) who women can be on bikes. How often do we growl about the broad marketing categories of Men’s bikes/cycling (serious, expensive) and Ladies’ bikes/cycling (bit flowery, lower end) etc etc.

So, my point is, sure, some of us are ladies (sometimes) but we are so much more : )

This is a chance (using scoot's awesome design) to represent amazing women who cycle.

• www.cyclingcultures.org.uk
  

Nice to see the jersey numbers adding up and to read a range of views on wording.
Be great to hear even more.
Maybe time for a poll?

Um.... how do I create a poll?

Just to clarify, I don't have an issue with a gender specific jersey (as I agree, this started as a jersey for our specific corner of the forum). And I think the design is top banana. I just had some wobbles about the use of the term 'ladies' and I wanted to hear other people's views on it. I was suggesting 'women' would work just as well and possibly carry less baggage.

Are you still looking for bike stories?

Yes please, we'll be drawing this data for years yet! : )

@skydancer - a poll is a great idea.

@missmouse - Thanks for your positive feedback on the site. It was a great project to be involved in. There will be much more stuff available as things get published from the research such as piece I did to deconstruct 'the ipod cycling zombie' (alas, academia is not a quick publishing discipline). Your colleagues were probably at today's Cycling and Society Conference at UEL....? I had a poster of this new pilot project ^ which is why it became all a bit top of mind again.

@hoefla - Liking your suggestions and completely agree that there shouldn't be two versions (ladies and other). I'll take a dig through the archives for past debates.

Hi everyone, I’ve been chewing on this for a while and it’s time I raised it. I’m wondering if we really need ‘*ladies*’ on the jersey… when we could have ‘*women’ or leave it off completely. The awesome design speaks for itself without what I think is a limiting qualifier.

I’ve been doing archival research into 'the bike, the bloomer and the female cyclist in late 19th century Britain'**. Basically to cut it short, it tells a pretty awesome story of the fight women had to escape the domestic sphere, ride safely (ie. bloomers etc) and challenge draconian Victorian ideals of femininity. Remember this was a time when exercise (as well as education) was viewed as compromising a woman’s health and her potential to reproduce!

Despite winning many of the freedoms we appreciate today, a number of social restrictions of the time transferred to women on bikes - ie. the construction of 'the lady cyclist’ - with much pressure to appear ‘graceful’, ‘becoming’, ‘neat’, ‘sensible’, ‘charming’, ‘dignified’, ‘modest’, (while a discourse of heroism linked men and cycling with ‘speed’, ‘agility’, ‘performance’, ‘champion’, ‘professional’ ‘skill’ etc).

My argument is that vestiges of ‘the lady cyclist’ continue today to shape (and limit) who women can be on bikes. How often do we growl about the broad marketing categories of Men’s bikes/cycling (serious, expensive) and Ladies’ bikes/cycling (bit flowery, lower end) etc etc.

So, my point is, sure, some of us are ladies (sometimes) but we are so much more : )

*apologies if I have missed this debate already….
**just finished two years on this - www.cyclingcultures.org.uk

Subway may not be pricey, but it certainly isn't nice.

You could always do this:

http://www.rapha.cc/account/refer.php

I am about to take the plunge.... anyone willing to 'refer me as a friend'?
(If I've read it correctly) we'll both get 10% discount.

Mine is made by Debby!

3x Sue
1x Janet
1x Lindsey
1x Priscilla
1 x Debby

Liking the capoeira

Oh god, did we just see Boris dancing.....

Yes, maybe it's not about my velocipede at all. Maybe it's direct at Kat (the other one - amazing how many kat's, katarina's, katrina's, katie's etc etc there are on the forum).

Ha. It's not my stealth bike......

Hipster? Can you be a vintage hipster?

Great!
Both snapped up.
One to Garethhon and one to dehumber.

Two rubbish tall bikes made of rubbish with rubbish welding.
Kind of road worthy (not really, but that’s kind of the point of a freakbike)
No nice parts to speak of.
Three-wheeler is single speed.
The other pretends to have gears.
Might be fun for someone.
Free to a brave home (or else they’ll return to rubbish).
Pick up from Kings Cross.

testing

1. scoot
   
2. ms.chris
   
3. Shoosh (as long as price is right)
   
4. missmouse (^ ditto)
   
5. bianchimasher (^ that)
   
6. blowfish (^same)
   
7. Cafewanda (same)
   
8. Lolabelle
   
9. Poots
   10.Cleft
   
10. Doctor Cake
    
11. Kat
    

Sorry to miss you all. But while waiting I spotted ChainBreaker and he joined me for a drink : )

Where is everyone? Anyone still around?

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en...d=0CKUBEPwSMAA

Thanks!

I have to go to LMNH first to pick something up. Will swing by after that.....

Sorry if I've missed it, but where exactly is the pub?

I'm in!

Ladies Drinks - Thurs 26th July, Camberwell

1. Missmouse
   
2. Cafewanda
   
3. Poots
   
4. Kat