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Trying to decide which of these is the better bike, or the better value bike?

the first is white powder coated 83 schwinn frame with all new parts, looks gorgeous, can verify frame and i trust the seller. is £350 a fair price?

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4130 Cro-MO Schwinn Specified Tubeset Built by GIANT in August of 1983 Serial Number: 2513
SPECIFICATIONS

            + SILVER 36 Spoke Aero Rims High Flange Flip Flop Hub with 16T Cog Sealed & True 
            + TRUVATIV 165mm Silver 48T Crankset - Alloy Pedals - Toe Clips & Straps
            + Engraved 6061 Aluminum Alloy Handlebars - Black Cork Tape - Forged Alloy Quill Stem 
            + Light Race Style Two Tone Road Saddle
            + Fast Kenda 23C Tires
            + Stiff ISIS 103mm Sealed Bottom Bracket
            + FSA Alloy Silver Sealed Headset
            + SR Vintage Alloy SeatPost - 26.6
            + Black Cork Bar Tape

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the other option is a 63cm Carlton frame in original paint good condition with refurb parts for £225

New 20 tooth sprocket - New Weinmann rear wheel - New 1/8th single gear chain.

Alloy seat pin,Chainset ( single 52 tooth ring 68.6" gear ) bars,stem.

Muudialita saddle

Tyres are quality Victoria ' Pro team ' twin tread. very good condition.

SHIMANO front brake.

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So i am looking at either of those to tide me over whilst i build my perfect bike (god knows when itl be running).

so £350 for white one £225 for black one or a charge plug.

please help

everything about this is awful.

she needs to get on the back of vice in an american apparel ad.

the lady in the flyer is hot.

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i got a brian rourke!

merry christmas

yeh but i may jsut have fallen in love with it

i have been looking for a 60+ frame for a month now and found nothing, getting desperate.

can we not create a bidding war on the claud butler, i really want it and dont have a bike at all at the moment. can we all agree to let me have it for less than 200?

kind regards

ps. if you dont i may have to go to brick lane and fund the satanic bike thieves.

its a new brand i think, itl be evrywhere soon

ok im trying to find out about tubing and wheels, do you think the below bike for £200 is a rip off? thanks for all the help from everyone, nice to find a decent forum.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/21251739@N05/

3ttt handle bar
3ttt stem with Scapin logo
Campagnolo headset
Campagnolo Victory set
Campagnolo Record hubs
Regina cassette
Campagnolo seatpost
Selle San Marco Rolls seat
Look pedals

Columbus tubes
Seat tube 60 cm (C-C)
Top tube 59 cm (C-C)

think itl need new tyres and might do wheels soon after.

really cant decide whether to fix it or not...

what do people think of this for £175, a good first single speed bike?? worhty of putting time and money into a build???

Vintage Raleigh Singlespeed Racing Bike
Very nice 1980's Raleigh Explorer Road bike in bright metallic red in exceptional condition - hardly a mark!
Simple, quick and light (steel framed). Single speed so low maintenance. Runs perfectly. Loads of new parts -
New Tyres and inner tubes. Alloy wheels.
New Freewheel. New Track chain.
New Brake cable inner and outers. New brake pads.
Shimano 600 brake Levers and Calipers. New handlebar tape.
Super smooth crank and headset. Good saddle.
Frame is size 58cm

3ttt handle bar
3ttt stem with Scapin logo
Campagnolo headset
Campagnolo Victory set
Campagnolo Record hubs
Regina cassette
Campagnolo seatpost
Selle San Marco Rolls seat
Look pedals

Columbus tubes
Seat tube 60 cm (C-C)
Top tube 59 cm (C-C)

think itl need new tyres and might do wheels soon after.

really cant decide whether to fix it or not...

yeh i do like the look of it, not sure about the wheels, il try and find out.

any opinions on the frame?? doe sit look solid, more pictures on flickr link, i havent recieved it yet, to be posted from hungary, also the gear levers would stay if i made it fixed, not sure.

hmmm

Hi all i was a single speed fanatic as a teenager and am now looking to rekindle my cycling passion with a singlespeed/fix project. however i am not particularly clued up on road bikes and frames, does anyone see this scapin as a worthy project?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21251739@N05/

i would greatly appreciate any comments on this as i dont want to waste my time on this, it is a scapin frame with geros team decals.

if this isn't worh it does anyone know of any bikes available for purchase for a project? or maybe i would consider buying a complete fro the right price.

please help

snoops