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Hi Rosie et al,

Yes I heard you were working for LCC. Congratulations. I am sure you will make it a success.

And today I have had the best news ever.

In East End Life (the Tower Hamlets Council free paper) it is reported that all Tower Hamlets roads are to go 20 mph. (TFL roads remain as they are).

This is absolutely fantastic news.

Well done to all those involved in road safety campaigning. You are modern day heroes and heroines.

Absolutely brilliant. I am over the moon.

hi tricity (rosie ? if i remember right ?)

we have met at E9 easts and other lfgss events.

no i don't get lcc weekly newsletter.

i became disillusioned with lcc over the segregation / integration issue (and others) and so i did not renew my membership.

i do occasionally check the website and 20 mph always seems low on the priority list.

i don't mind renewing my lcc membership but maybe when it focusses more on 20 mph campaigning.

and less on cycle lanes = segregation = imo a daft objective.

and less on just upping membership numbers.

ctc and british cycling campaign strategy position seems to me to be broader in approach so i retain my membership there.

when i have time i do campaign on behalf of ctc.

and yes hopefully tower hamlets is to go 20 mph. (please god please :-)).

lets hope so anyway.

my utterances are meant to be constructive and i wish all community safety campaigners all the best.

hi oliver,

thanks for the reply. that is what i thought you would say.

but i am concerned that LCC emphasis for the last 5 years or so has not been 20 mph. it has been cycle lanes and segregation - for example the 'go dutch' strap line.

i think LCC now has a good opportunity to join with other organisations to restate its support for 20 mph in all built up areas.

for example hopefully LCC will be helping the dft with their 3 year research project (see above).

@ Oliver Schick.

Maybe LCC should get on the 20 mph bandwagon ?

^ thanks for posting this. yes hopefully one day soon we will get safer (and quieter) communities for all.

i am a bit out of touch on enforcement so if someone could inform me ?

if a driver is caught speeding on a speed camera is that a police matter or a camera body (dft ?) matter ?

who issues the ticket ?

whose responsibly is it to collect the fine ?

whose responsibility to pursue the matter if the ticket is not paid ?

who deals with the matter if there is an appeal ?

for that matter who owns / controls the cameras ?

don't worry though too much. if you don't have time. i am sure i can research the matter myself.

anyway i still prefer the concept of integration (20 mph on all roads in built up areas) to the concept of segregation (cycle lanes).

the bbc website story has a link to a further story about a 3 year dft research project into the pros and cons of 20 mph speed limits.

lets hope it leads to 20 mph in all built up areas - thereby safer communities for everybody.

i think speed enforcement is only one element of the matter.

the threat of there being cameras on the road is enough to start to ward off the illegal drivers.

these drivers are involved in more crashes than legal road users.

so if i am right and the illegal drivers do stay off the road it should lead to a decrease in crashes and therefore safer roads.

lets hope so anyway.

for the trial areas the evening standard article indicated that speed would be monitored over the relevant stretch of road - digitally. I presume that means average speed cameras. and those in breach would get a £100 fine.

there is a news report on the 20 mph trials on the bbc website today.

20 mph on london roads is front page news in the london evening standard tonight.

the article says it is a pilot study on some KSI blackspots.

but still this is good news.

and the article says that if successful 20 mph could be introduced on other roads as well.

and that is good news too.

hi niall.

sorry to see this news about toni.

my thoughts and prayers are with you.

phil.

yes for those living on 'main' roads noise from motor powered vehicles can be very problematic.

20 mph would help to reduce road noise nuisance.

so for example over a generation or two Britain may go from 33m cars to say 20m cars.

and i would anticipate that 20m cars will cause less road death etc than 33m.

the situation will be further improved in developing countries where road deaths etc are an even bigger problem than in the west.

there is more on this line of thinking on the UN and WHO websites.

the UN have a decade of action on road safety running at the moment.

they recognise it is a big issue.

20 mph will help to address the problems.

also because 20 mph villages, towns and cities will be perceived as being safer more people will think i can cycle now.

over time they will think i don't need a car anymore. this will lead to less cars.

not so much existing drivers. they will keep driving.

but kids coming through. maybe more of them will think i have been cycling safe so i don't need a car.

road deaths is correlated to number of cars. so less cars equals less road deaths.

this is a scenario i envisage would emerge over a generation and then gather pace.

so for me the 20 mph policy is not really / necessarily aimed at todays drivers.

it is aimed at the future movers.

and letting them to decide to walk or cycle rather than thinking they have to drive all the time.

in this way hopefully 20 mph will lead to more choice / freedom to move decisions.

keep up the good work everybody.

traffic at 20 mph emits less noise than that at 30 mph.

another good reason for going 20 mph.

we don't know it was unprovoked.

there may be history or turf war. or similar.

still very sad though.

the police have released cctv footage of the attack. it is on bbc website.

thoughts and prayers for the rider, family and friends

i suppose another broader perspective is for society to stop digging holes.

muck away = lorry movements.

concrete in = lorry movements.

and digging holes is expensive so it tends to be the rich who commission the digging of holes. e.g. basement car parks and basement swimming pools.

i am not a fan of segregation but...

i do hope the embankment proposal gets built.

i think well done andrew gilligan.

i think canary wharf should get rid of howard dauber. i think he looks and sounds self interested and out of date.

thoughts and prayers for the rider, family and friends.

today 1100 hrs police were on whitechapel road / mile end road.

drivers behaving markedly better.

maybe it would be better if safeway was operating everyday.

ha a lot less cars on the road today.

all the non legal drivers staying off the road.

(careful though. less congestion = higher speeds).

cyclists stay back stickers bug me !

yes imo canary wharf group are behaving badly on a number of issues at the moment.