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BringMeMyFix There must be a part for thinking about metres then.

[Quick roll on the drum] - [crash] thank you folks I will be hear all week, you have been a great crowd, I am signing photographs in the lobby later.

Of course there is a part of the brain that thinks about metres ! If you think it (anything) there is something physical that engages the process of thought.

All thought is emergent from the brain, it is epiphenomenal.

I suspect the concept 'metre' is spread around the brain as the notion of a metre is a little nebulous, but I would put my money on the intraparietal sulcus (IPS), located toward the top and back of the brain, across both lobes.

Are you bored yet ?

white :)

Cheers !

Powder coat ?

Looks like someone poured some cream over it.

Excuse my ignorance and inability to interpret the thread title, but where did you get this done and what did it cost ?

Cheers

unxetas well you'd also have to pay at least 17.5% vat and maybe 10% import tax..

Not if they are labeled 'sample' and have a value of $0/£0 scribbled on the delivery note !

(I have been asking people in the US to mark my purchases up like that for years ! - some oblige, others are less willing)

Still, even with the various taxes and delivery charge the price of a brand new set of Hed 3's is pretty close to this fellas set at £900. I would buy secondhand steel, secondhand alloy, but not secondhand carbon, it is just too hard to know the provenance, problems can remain pretty much hidden in carbon until total failure.

£450 and we'll talk ;)

currently listening to:

Epistemological black out by Cold Girl,
Shoot those that move, eat the rest by My time in space,
Ten fingered justice by The Cheats,
I can kill you with my shadow by Travolta,
Alcohol fits by 1000 year lock in,
My street is strong when I rock the double denim by Python attacks Tiger,
The awful majesty of the infinite skull by When time stops.

. . . actually I just made them up. . .

I am actually listening to "The very best of E.L.O'

Thinking of getting involved in the whole beard + aviator shades thing.

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dogsballs a mate is selling a pair of hed-3 tubs (rear cassette :( ), lot of notes though ~£900. tried the front on me bike, was very solid and trey cool!

They are cheaper from the HED website ?!

A brand new 700c wheel set (clincher or tubular) comes out at around £745 G.B.P, even with another £50 (a guess) for an express delivery they are still cheaper !

Conan i went into cavendish cycles a few weeks ago and there was a track bike hangin from the ceiling with a white front aerospoke. Dunno if it was for sale, give em a call.

I was in there yesterday, the bike with the white front aerospoke is a staff bike.

Does she have a sister ? ;)

dicki what are those funky white bmx handle bars in that photos on previous page
i want me some of dose

http://www.cyclesportuk.co.uk/product_info.php?cPath=35&products_id=1287&osCsid=fadc

31trum yes they are........
also what are those long thin ones called, and where in town can i get some????

I have seen the long thin ones in Cavendish Cycles.

shop > http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/directory/1284/2865.php

map > http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/mapping/map.php?pc=W1W+6YD

Worst summer ever.

What does 'gone here' mean ?

'Buddha', my arse ! ;)

[cite]Leeww:[/cite]No it is correctly an ad hominem, you call Gore a hypocrite (he may be for all I know) - that is an ad hominem argument and has no bearing on the science[/b]

the-smiling-buddha What science ? Al Gore is a politician and the scientists at the IPCC don't include this in their scenarios.

I think you are attempting deliberate obfuscation through your muddled conflation of Al Gore as a person and the findings of the IPCC.

Poor technique if you wish to discuss something honestly and openly. :(

Your own view of Al Gore is simply that, your own view, it may be correct, Al Gore is a serial rapist and has a 10 speed derailleur for all I know - but importantly his hypocrisy, electricity bill or his sex life have no bearing on the science - by definition your argument is ad hominem.

Once again for clarity, your personal dislike of Gore (and his hypocrisy) has no bearing on the science of global warming.

[cite]Leeww:[/cite]
and you have yet to enlighten me on the science of ice sheet collapse.

And with that pointless comment I shall bow out of this thread and hand over the reigns to you, best of luck.

the-smiling-buddha Seems to me that predicting a 20ft rise in sea levels is a pretty effective scare tactic

It may be, but more importantly it is a reflection of the science - against a predicted sea level rise of 1.4 ft, the collapse of one of the major ice sheets would result in a sea level rise of 20 ft.

Now regardless of whether you feel this is 'scary' or regardless of your dislike for Gore or his hypocrisy, this still remains scientifically sound.

the-smiling-buddha
But how credible is this claim if it is not supported by the IPCC

and if it were credible why doesn't the IPCC have ice sheet collapse as it's 'high' scenario

The IPCC make a single unambiguous prediction with regard to their research on sea level rises - an increase of between 28cm and 43cm.

This is likely to happen regardless of any other consequences of a rise in the worlds temperature.

The ice sheet collapse is a possible consequence of a rise in the worlds temperature and is not included in the IPCC remit.

the-smiling-buddha
The word you seek is not Ad hominem but hypocrisy

No it is correctly an ad hominem, you call Gore a hypocrite (he may be for all I know) - that is an ad hominem argument and has no bearing on the science.

the-smiling-buddha
"See, I don't even like to call it the environmental movement any more, because really it is a political activist movement, and they have become hugely influential at a global level." Patrick Moore founding member and former President of Greenpeace.

And long may it remain a political activist movement.

I am waiting on a couple of parts from Paul Parts right now.

They are quick to deliver, but you are more that likely to be stung with the whole import/tax duty thing :(

On my last order from them a few months back (some thumb shifter mounts) the import/tax duty thing almost doubled the cost. :(

http://www.paulcomp.com/

Lee

the-smiling-buddha If the IPCC worst case secenario is 2ft rise in sea levels how to you make out that a 20ft rise is credible..?

The IPCC's very conservative (by their own admission) estimate of sea level rises is in fact 1.4 ft (43cm) - The collapse of one of the major ice sheets (Greenland or West Antarctica) would be in addition to this.

the-smiling-buddha
a worst case scenario means the worst case. So either the scenario is wrong or Al Gore is wrong, there ain't no third way, sunshine.

Let me try and explain your misunderstanding.

A sea level rise of 1.4ft is not a 'worst case scenario', it is more correctly at the top end of the predicted sea level change.

You have taken the very real IPCC predictions, called the top end of the range the 'worst case scenario' and seem to be using it as a semantic device to limit any further sea level rises.

The IPCCs figures are an 'ambient' estimate and make no comment on possible ice sheet collapse.

IPCC predictions point to a sea level rise of between 28cm and 43cm.

If there is a collapse of one of the major ice sheets the sea level rise could be as much as 600cm (20 ft).

the-smiling-buddha
Al Gore then went on to be found out having $30,000 electricity bills in his southern mansion, which he offset by buying carbon credits from his own company. That I believe entitles me to question his credibility, because if you are going to preach, you got to stand by what you preach, and if you follow his example, then if you are rich you just go out and buy yourself a green conscience.

Ad hominem alert !

Normally I would try and not get involved in an ad hominem, but to be honest I am a little confused, what is wrong with buying carbon credits from your own company ?

the-smiling-buddha
As far as I understand it, it looks as if gloabl temperatures are rising, man most likely has made a contribution to this, however climate change is cyclical (for example the ice ages) and there are other factors that may contribute, the orbit of the earth, sun spot activity etc. If you read the IPCC report or at least the summary on wikipedia no one no where can tell you in which proportions each of these factors effect the climate. Therefore my initial question about 'how do we know' is a quite a reasonable question.

It is reasonable to ask.

What kind of response would alleviate your doubts ?

nor_feest [quote]RPM come on guys, I think he was joking, or at least being intentionally incredulous.

thankyou !

my point exactly, it was meant to be a tongue in cheek comment based on what a lot of people think global warming is about.[/quote]

Whoops!

Sorry !!!!! :)

wayne_f14 photoshop deceit and frippery - you want to get some good old honest screenprinting action going fella

I have done my time at the squeegee, I spent many a sunday afternoon as a child stretching the very cheapest screen material across some of the most poorly put together frames with a car screen wiper in one hand and the smell of horse urine in the air.

Memories.

the-smiling-buddha

. . . and if you remember the 'inconvenient truth’

Al Gore talks about sea level rises of about 20 ft

So ipso facto either Al Gore hasn’t read the lastest from the IPCC

or he is talking utter BOLLOX

When people start speaking bollox to me

I start asking questions

Gore, in the film you mention, discusses the risk of a major ice sheet collapse in either Greenland or West Antarctica, either of which would raise sea levels world wide by around 20 ft leaving 100,000,000 people refugees.

Of course this does not contradict nor negate the most recent IPCC report (02/02/07)

Perhaps this is the source of your confusion ?

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Here is the false dichotomy:

A: Unlike you and me, Al Gore's research team on the film does not know the latest research data from the IPCC.

B: Al Gore, in his film, is talking 'bollox'.

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Here is, what I think may be a more correct trichotomy:

A: Unlike you and me, Al Gore's research team on the film does not know the latest research data from the IPCC.

B: Al Gore, in his film, is talking 'bollox'.

C: You might have made a mistake somewhere when formulating your 'view'.

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the-smiling-buddha [quote]What evidence do you have to lead you to believe that global warming is not proven beyond any reasonable doubt?

I never said that, what I said was this

"how do they differentiate between warming due to natural trends and cycles and warming due to man made activity?"[/quote]

Naughty boy ! ;) I think you know quite well which sentence eeehhh refereed to:

"but man made Global Warming in many circles is taken as a 'given' and I ain't all that sure that it has been proven beyond any reasonable doubt"

Man made global warming has been proved beyond reasonable doubt, perhaps you would like it to be now proven beyond unreasonable doubt ?

wayne_f14 [quote]leeww I would have come but I was tied up showing a bunch of idiots on fixed wheel bikes how close to a lorry I could skid.

And they didn't even buy me a beer ?

nah man you were just tied up., it's taken you this long to untie yaself and get in front of a keyboard[/quote]

I'm not the one with the gimp mask for an icon.

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