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How much for the Phils ?

These are only 990 € (£ 671 a pair) !!

SMEEAR ]they're] binary right, only two buttons?

There are 11 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who do not.

Egg ring !

FixAxioN where's cavendish cycles? :O

http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/mapping/map.php?pc=W1W+6YD

Just checked, Google still working. ;)

wayne_f14 nah,

you just thought it was there...

Maybe it still is ?

joe_b maybe there should be a philosophy discussion topic?

i may be wrong but isnt this for peoples bikes and faces?

What is a 'bike' ?

And this concept 'face' you speak of, what might that be !?

;)

Here is a picture of a nice bike:

Shit ! It was there when I posted the picture.

natureboy
The other way for something to be a fact is for it to be a formal statement which is basically incapable of being wrong because it concerns things whose definitions we create, the best example being mathematical statements like 'a square has 4 sides' or '5 is a prime number'.

True, mathematics generates proofs, but mathematics are not statements about the physical world, only representations.

And with the level of my own mathematical abilities, hardly even representations !! :)

natureboy
The idea that 'facts are the preserve of the inerrant religious/supernatural thinkers' refers, I think, to the first type of 'fact' (the ones which rely on evidence and are essentially theories) since strictly speaking, they can never be proved absolutely incontravertably correct - like scientific theories, they can be proved incorrect (by a single experiment) but never proved correct.

Yes! 'facts' about reality - 'truth claims', these are what I refer to with the statement 'facts are the preserve of the inerrant religious/supernatural thinkers'.

natureboy
So, if you hold some notion about the physical world to [be] absolutely correct, then you are guilty of faulty reasoning.

Yes !

natureboy
But for many practical purposes, the difference between 99.99999... % sure and 100% sure is negligible so we may as well carry on calling such notions 'facts' in everyday life (if not in cycling forum philosophy discussions...)

Indeed, I am sure no one here gets involved in exacting and precise epistemological punch ups every time someone presents something entirely 'reasonable' as a 'fact'.

But . . .

I shall stand by my comment that the overwhelming majority of us understand that most of our ideas are at best simply well reasoned notions and can be changed with sufficient evidence, it tends only to be the minds of the religious/supernatural thinkers that 'know' with unquestioning certainty that their inerrant knowledge is fact.

natureboy
then you're saying that whether or not something is a 'fact' depends on the mental state of the believer

No, I did not say:

*When someone is convinced, that is: when a notion is held with certainty, that it is indisputably the case, it is a 'fact'.*

What I did say was:

*When someone is convinced, that is: when a notion is held with certainty, that it is indisputably the case, we label it as 'fact'.*

natureboy
For a statement about the physical world to be a fact, it would have to have the status, essentially, of an extremely well verified theory, where there was such a weight of supporting evidence, possibly including the everyday experiences of millions of people, that it would be extremely unlikely that the 'fact' could ever be contradicted.

Like I said earlier we may be drifting into semantics - but, to me at least, something with the status of an extremely well verified theory is just that, an extremely well verified theory, I feel no need to artificially promote an extremely well verified theory to 'fact' status.

Also "the everyday experiences of millions of people" has no bearing on what is or what is not 'fact', I refer you to your own point about a flat earth, there was a time when all of mankind believed the earth to be flat, as you correctly point out: that would hardly make it a fact.

d/p !

eeehhhh Yeah, I see what you're saying.

For me and I suspect others too, though, it takes a lot more evidence and/or reasoning for something to be classified as a fact.

I think it takes evidence and/or reasoning for something to be considered evidenced or reasonable, but a 'fact' ? Perhaps we are drifting into semantics here !

eeehhhh I think what I would say instead is that dogma is the preserve of the inerrant religious/supernatural thinkers.

Dogma: 'a principle or set of principles held as incontrovertibly true'

. . . sounds a lot like 'facts' to me ! ;)

eeehhhh I don't think I agree with you about facts being the preserve of religious/supernatural thinkers.

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eeehhhh In my philosophy class I was pretty much the only materialist student, the rest were still convinced that there was something like an immaterial soul, but they didn't have any reason for it. Just the "inkling" inside.

Here is my 'interpretation' (picking my words carefully now !)

These students were convinced of some kind of immaterial 'soul' (whatever that may be).

When someone is convinced, that is: when a notion is held with certainty, that it is indisputably the case, we label it as 'fact'.

The belief in an immaterial 'soul' is a religious/supernatural conceit.

Therefore: I think facts are the preserve of the inerrant religious/supernatural thinkers.

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Hope that makes sense !?

hippy 6-packs of Stella acting as tassles..

• some string tied around one of the cranks and attached to a broken fridge and a dog.
  

hippy [quote]leeww
Marin Palisades Trial (Cyan) - stolen
Muddy Fox (bright Yellow) - stolen
Marin Pine Mountain (Black) - stolen
Kona Exsplosif (Gold) - stolen
Klein Mantra Comp (Purple) - stolen
Klein Mantra Race (Carbon) - stolen
Klein Adroit (Purple) - stolen
Klein Attitude (grey) - stolen (and recovered !! - but frame damaged beyond repair)
Klein Attitude (Blue) - got very drunk - attempted to cycle home, woke up on the sofa with a badly cut face/black eye - no bike - no memory.
Specialized S-Works HT (red/White) - sold
Klein Adroit (Green) - stolen

What do you do? Leave them outside your nearest ghetto with a "Free Bike" sign attached?[/quote]

• bag of crack taped to the saddle and giro checks as spoke cards, they can't resist.
  

tallsam Any pics of these mods?

There are a few around the internet somewhere, I will try and find some if you are interested.

Thanks for the rest of advice !!! - particularly this:

tallsam * You're part of the scene!!!!!!!!! Go nuts, get yourself a bunch of tattoos, hang your keys from a chain and always wear a cycling cap. PPL will know you're totally hip and may even mistake you for a bicycle messenger courier.... which would be totally sweet. Dude.

I really wanted to be a fakenger not a messenger, the last thing I want people to think is that I make my money delivering post for ' the Man™ ' on a push bike, no fucking way !

Think I might get an EVANS™ tattoo and one of these:

Cheers lpg and the-smiling-buddha for the info.

What do 'NJS' mean.

Fank you.

Can't believe I am sharing my 'service experience' on a internet forum dedicated to cycling with a specific drive train set up at 2.30 in the morning, jesus fucking christ !

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My personal experience.

Evans - Waterloo (both shops) = great service
Evans - West End/Rathbone place = VERY bad service
Evans - Grays Inn Road = VERY bad service
Condor = good service
New Cavandish Street = OK service
Cyclesurgery = OK service

The truth !

My history of shame in chronological order - over the last 17(ish) years.

Marin Palisades Trial (Cyan) - stolen
Muddy Fox (bright Yellow) - stolen
Marin Pine Mountain (Black) - stolen
Kona Exsplosif (Gold) - stolen
Klein Mantra Comp (Purple) - stolen
Klein Mantra Race (Carbon) - stolen
Klein Adroit (Purple) - stolen
Klein Attitude (grey) - stolen (and recovered !! - but frame damaged beyond repair)
Klein Attitude (Blue) - got very drunk - attempted to cycle home, woke up on the sofa with a badly cut face/black eye - no bike - no memory.
Specialized S-Works HT (red/White) - sold
Klein Adroit (Green) - stolen
Klein Attitude (Blue) - Still in my possession after nearly 3 years !!!!

So. . . .

Over the years in an attempt to get the weight down on my bikes (my current SS klein with slicks weighs a smidge under 14lb) I have dumped heavy stock parts and replaced them with some of my home made efforts, chain guides, shifters, brake levers etc - around Klein number five I removed the front and rear gears + shifters during one such attempt to modify them, that must have been around 2003 - and they never went back on as I found I didn't really need them in London.

I am still on a single speed MTB, but am considering a fixed 700c machine, but am unsure of the advantages as yet. . . .

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RPM oh fuck, we've got Aristotle, Huxley and Lovecraft on the forum..;)

Single speed and fixed wheel philosophy - now that sounds like a degree course to me. :)

BringMeMyFix I would've thought the concept of 'metre' is stored in semantic memory (medial temporal lobe), at least in terms of "thinking for speaking/listening", though I'll go along with the idea of the IPS if 'metre' is stored as a distance in space that's been visually attended to. I'll bet the primary motor cortex might play a part too, if 'metre' is recalled as "oh, about this wide [gesturing with arms and hands]" etc.

Neuroscience on a fixed gear/singlespeed forum. The mind boggles (though I don't know what the neuroanatomical correlate of 'boggling' is).

The 'word' metre is certainly going to fire up the temporal lobe, but like I said the 'concept' is likely to be spread around, I would also agree that the motor cortex is involved, in fact it is likely we could make a valid claim for most of the brain.

Unlike telephone numbers and crisp flavours which are stored exclusively just behind the eyes*

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[cite]You write that as if it is a fact...? :)

Not sure why it appears as fact to you ? I think facts are the preserve of the inerrant religious/supernatural thinkers, it is simply my opinion, it is something I believe to be true.

[cite]Some philosophers like Daniel Dennett argue that the concept of mental states like thoughts and emotions do not really exist. It's called eliminative materialism.

I love Dennett, great bloke :)

Epiphenomenalism does not contradict the idea that thoughts and emotions do not really exist - of course for this to meaningful we would have to define 'exist'.

I am a materialist (the philosophical understanding of the word that is !! - I don't collect ipods ! :) )

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I suspect you might of heard of it though since you referred to epiphenomenalism.

Indeed I have !