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hippy, if you are out there - can you gis a clue how much that Dinotte set you back - got a feeling it is a good bit more than me taping a 20 quid torch to the stem.

elegant solution tommy - that dinotte looks small and tidy - how much does something like that set you back. the mini maglites are about £16 on wiggle

stef - will get down a, er, torch shop tomorrow and take a browse. work near high street ken so it has all the snow & rock, millets, et al. so will check that out. though will check with hiker brother first to see what kit he has for his overnighters.

tommy - like the sound of that so will experiment when i have the torch sorted. my problem is i am riding serious cut down riser bars so not a lot to play with in terms of handlebar space. don't reckon i could do that kind of distance no handed!

stef, will check out the mini maglite. was thinking of taping some kind of torch to the stem as that seems to make sense - if the maglite is small enough that should be doable. cheers

cheers ben, am thinking along the same lines myself. won't be doing it if i have to splash out on special lighting.

is anyone just doing this using just LEDs with the idea of just hanging in behind someone with decent lights when the cloud and darkness are at their worst?