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You really are an idiot,most team bikes were equiped with Foxes up until recently,Specialized have there own suspension systems but they are still designed and produced by fox.Go do some research before you chat shit you know nothing about.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Before the specialized team started to use in house designed forks they race on pace/dt swiss forks for 3 years!!!!!

That s works smacks of OF THE PEG. The xt cranks kinda proves it!

Go do some research before you chat shit you know nothing about.

the people that know me on here, know that i have been involved in the MTB industry for 10 + years

.........and flat pedals and slicks on a XC bike?

??????? Ok

errrrr when did the specialized team run fox forks????????? news to me

So you wasn't sponsored by specialized at all then?

Sorry but that is not a specialized team bike.

big sponsorship with specialized and you only get a langster every year? how gay is that. (langsters are only about 200 + vat on trade!)

Abit of high energy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5BP7Gc4CTS4

Surely you would define congestion as lots of closely packed cars driving slowly. Ergo, slowing cars down, perhaps by means of a 20mph limit will make congestion worse. I doubt that traffic flow would improve. You'd still have the same stop-start burst speed thing as now, just slower longer-lasting. And emissions worse, as (thanks to the speeds the official fuel consumption figures are measured at) cars are not designed to be efficient at 20mph, but at 31 and 56. Car design has to change to make 20mph cleaner (but all that takes is for european union/member states to also demand an official fuel consumption reading at 20mph)

DaveH said "slower cars = increased flow of traffic as you can fit more cars on the road"
This is inaccurate or confused.
Slower cars, by definition, is actually decreasing the flow of traffic. It is increasing the density of traffic, which is a different thing. Increased traffic flow is defined as cars moving faster.

To eliminate or severely reduce the use of cars in cities the most effective measure is probably to eliminate parking facilities. We all want nice roads to ride on, and buses need them too. If we ban all city centre developments from providing car parking spaces, and remove all car parks and street parking, then people won't drive into the centre of town simply because there is no point. I suppose we could actually just ban cars altogether, but given that you need people to have traffic sense so that police, ambulance, buses, taxis etc can still operate safely it's probably a good idea to allow cars and just rely on the fact that it will only be through traffic to massively reduce car use.

It is interesting how public transport is being touted as the solution, but really, how many of us use it unless we are forced to? We cycle in all weathers because tubes and buses are filthy, slow, dangerous, expensive and generally horrible. You can't eliminate any of those factors. Public transport is slow because it doesn't start and finish where you want it to and it keeps stopping to let other people on. It is dirty and dangerous because it lets the public on, who leave it in a state, spread their germs around, fail to wash, can be drunk, violent, homicidal etc. (and that's just the drivers, boom boom!). Ergo public transport will always be a less desirable option to those who drive a car, no matter how much you spend on it. I don't think you can price people out of their cars. you have to find other ways, and removing their practicality is probably the best option.

This is why I have - until recently stayed out of this discussion.

Lots of long posts with untruths and uneducated assumptions.

As a politics graduate, and being a bit of an armchair expert in global conflict, I can also heartily recommend 'Palestine' by Joe Sacco - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(Sacco_comic)

There's a compilation book available, so I'd recommend getting hold of that. Unfortunately I'm a bit reluctant to let go of my own copy though.

Politics drinks anyone?

Yea the Joe sacco books are ace. His bosnia ones are good to.

Well I am 100% sure about that...... I have a civils degree and i am just finishing of my architectural degree.

Not looking at private cars when designing a town is what would happen in a perfect world, but we don't have that,

errrrrr what does this mean??????? good job town planners/architects don't think like this.

"oh dear it's not a perfect world, lets settle for 2nd/3rd/4th best shall we" <----bollocks

no.......the faster cars go, longer stopping distances, longer gaps between cars.

slower cars = increased flow of traffic as you can fit more cars on the road.

IMO private cars should be the last thing on your mind when designing new towns.

mmccarthy - yes slower cars improves congestion. FACT

Think about it

This quote from that article sums Israels actions up

True enough. No Israeli government can tolerate rockets hitting its towns, even though the casualty totals have been less than the car crash fatalities registered during a single holiday weekend on Israel's roads.

Pretty fucked up

YouTube - SAVAGE PROGRESS - MY HEART BEGINS TO BEAT

Apology accepted.

Nice to see you've got your kids into BMX.

I totally agree with you there Dave, and with the greatest amount of respect, I could not tell one new school frameset apart from another, they all look too similar to me, there really isn't anything remotely inspirational about a modern diamond steel bmx frame today, that can give me the remotest possibility of distinguishing it from one manufacturer to another.

But that's not the point. the designs today work and work well.

I don't care if it looks boring. All i care is if it's got a 21.5" top tube. short rear end.

And if it will get me through a 12 pack in one piece.

BMX dude.....sounds as if you are just in it for the Retro look.

But i may be wrong

-p.s. I dislike new school bikes as much as you detest older ones
-although I do have a new floval flyer, but thats just to ride to the shops on to get me tabs..

I detest old bikes because they weigh a ton.

I love new bikes because they weigh nothing and are way stronger.

But as you say they don't have that retro thing. bah

BMX dude - nice to see you edited your post.

Sorry but just because it has retro appeal doesn't mean that it's worth more.

Yes it was a nice bmx back in the day, but now it's not.

Personally I wouldn't pay £50 for that bike.

THE WHOLE BIKE

-IS SHIT....

point being, and spotty kid could order the bits online, and have eggsackery what you have there......

-you simply cannot compare a 22 year old item, with 'some' granted retro appeal, against some taiwanese shit.

After that lovely rant that sounds like it came from a 12 year old you have lost all credibility.

Do you know what frame that is?

explain to me what's shit about it?

I'm all ears

Bmx dude,I like your bike and I would like to appologise on behalf of the other forum idiots on here.Now if you would of posted a road converted frame or likewise lo-pro,you would of been all the rave on here,but anything other than that just incures negative feedback.There just seems to be an abundance of small minded road conversion riding people on here.Get your heads outta your asses and realise that there is more to cycling than cheap road conversion frames,but that might be difficult for some as the only reason for cycling,is to fit into to this so called fixie sub-culture.Heck most of you ca'nt even change a tire.Hipsters make me sick!!!!

bollocks.......£300 is alot of money for that bike when i could get this for the same money

no silly billy,
they mount like a conventional caliper - on the bridge
-but in 1988 bike firms put them onto the lower stays, as kids were back hoping the bridges off
-i.e. on the bit that sticks ou tthe bb shell
-from pit bull, was invented the canti-lever

ok my bad

oh and that isn't a pitbull brake on the original photo. Also where are the bosses for said brake?

I've got some salt cranks but no bb. you could have them for posatge (if i can find them)

like I said £300 is alot of money for that bike.

And i forgot shit pedals.

and yes in todays terms those wheels are shit.