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Ahhh I get it. Thank you very much!

Just to clarify; I’m (and others, I think) are not lambasting you on your choices of geometry, just genuine curiosity that spark up interesting debates on it.

I genuinely feel like I'm the dumbest guy in this forum.

and why are 30mm raked forks are so hard to find :C even the ones I have locally seems kinda sketch. retailer says its 30mm but the manufacturer says its 43mm :/ edit: nvm found one on aliexpress lol

This is the thing; he put the saddle so far back, that the “advantage” of a steep seat tube is invalidated* when it’s set where a nominal seat angle with a straight inline pier will work just as well.

wait i dont understand this. can you explain it a bit more? my seat tube currently is only 72 degrees and who is he lol

oh when i took the pic the saddle rail was sliding around lol

I see. The geo I designed has actually a shorter effective top tube than the one I have now. I actually feel a bit stretched out and way too far back. It has a more relaxed geometry 71.5ht/72.22st. I think I would really have fun on the compact and aggressive geometry I made. I think I would benefit from it a bit too. I wonder how the guy Matita24 mentioned uses his extreme geometry as a workhorse.

Have any of you guys heard of the Velove Torro? Apparantly it is a 77ht/77st frame.
https://en.velove.pl/our-bikes-1/torro

thats the thing :/ well if i dont like the 77 degree seat tube ill just throw on a set back seatpost. What trail does track bikes usually have?

Yeah Mielec quoted me 4 months. I wanted to order on December so I could get it during the March holidays. About my frame geometry, I’ll most probably change it. I finally saw a picture of someone riding 77/75 st/ht and holy shit. The person was really leaned forward on the handlebars. I think he uses it for crit racing but it was his only bike on his pedalroom. edit: nvm i think im staying

I see. Well I won’t learn anything if no one answered. I thought it would make sense. About the guy, how does he ride his bike? I can’t speak Italian and google translate doesnt do much. I guess most of his weight would be on the handlebars? What I saw is 81/76 ht/st and that is extreme for me.

I told you I wanted something crazy!!! Since you guys did even bother to answer my question, let me ask it again. Can high trail balance out twitchiness of the steep angles ??? And since you guys hate the angles so much, is 76/74 st/ht okay? (similar to argon 18 electron)

I mentioned the old school bmx because i know how much less twitchy my track geometry will be.

since when did i say that???

I said it was a different bike. It’s an old school bmx.

old school bmx. I KNOW it’s a different bike, but literally bombed a hill on it. It was a bit sketch but it’s alright.

Honestly, I’ve already made up my mind and will be ordering what I have designed. I wanted something crazy but not too crazy. I’ve ridden bikes with 77 degree head tube angle and it was okay for me. I’ll keep this thread posted about the frame I’m ordering. Take me as something like a test subject if you want. I’ll talk about the geometry when the frame is fully built up. However it might take months. Thanks for all the input.

may I ask why

I am prepared to wait though. ASAP as in to get it earlier next year.

Surely, I was a bit though because I wanted to get the frame asap so I won't miss out too much on the rides.

sure, I'll post on the other thread

I see. Would the amount of trail I have on my design balance out the steep angles? Edit: That's a really nice bike. Looks tight with the 30mm rake fork

oh i did not get any updates on my email on that. Edit: I'm not so mature yet as I'm only in my teenage years so maybe the words I say would be not so good. Sorry for that.

I don't celebrate Christmas or New Years Eve so I totally forgot about that. I got to sell my old bike around the same time too.

That's kinda disappointing to hear. I would really like to order by this month.

of course. I already got myself a Fabric saddle.

yeah i already sent them an email to place an order. full send!