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No you are completely wrong!

https://twitter.com/MichaelPSenger/status/1476249496736522246?s=20

For all those who think it would have been a complete disaster without the vaccines please explain what happened with the first wave when there were no vaccines available?

i'm pretty sure we wouldn't all be dead. Have you spent the time to compare how some of the lowest vaccinated countries are doing compared to the most vaccinated?

ha, have you ever looked up the definition of a vaccine?

I honestly don't understand what you are trying to get at. why don't you help me out by explaining this risk assessment of yours. What I understand from your previous post is you think you are fit to work until you are hospitalised with covid.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jan/03/covid-positive-nurses-are-working-in-nsw-hospitals-due-to-severe-staffing-shortages

Yes of course thats possible but to me its complete madness that vaccinated covid positive staff are working in hospitals when unvaccinated Covid negative staff are fired and not allowed to work.

i'm not willfully ignoring anything, there are so many factors at play. I'm not fully up to date with the 4th jab timelines but many older people were given 3 doses and then a booster. Also many of the 80+ unvaccinated will be end of life patients in hospitals and care homes so not exactly sat safe at home alone.

haven't we already seen this in SA?

I guess I don't get what you are trying to say.

seriously? Do you still think the vaccines stop you catching it? come on!

eh? The reports posted above are overall cases of all variants. so no.

I would argue that if you test positive for coronavirus you are not fit to work as an frontline NHS staff member surely?
I fully understand the data is unadjusted but its the same across multiple countries and the numbers increase proportionately in relation to last vaccination date. Trending data is hard to repute.

Its incredibly hard to be on the "other side", I'm willing to lose my job over it because I truly believe its the right side. Not just for myself but for those around me.

I think i've covered this quite a bit but...The definition of a vaccine is something that provides immunity against a disease. These don't do that! reduction in hospitalisation is fine and useful for the vulnerable but not necessarily the right choice long term for the young and healthy.

The flu jab is only offered to the old and vulnerable which reiterates my point. This is off the top of my head so might be wrong but I think the flu jab only offers protection for about 3 months and even then it is only about 30% effective.

I didn't quite get what you are trying to say but... Yes I am saying that after vaccine efficacy has rapidly waned the data suggests you are far more likely to catch it if you are vaccinated than if you are not. There are medical studies that back this theory up too.
I agree you are more likely to end up in hospital/die if you are unvaccinated but thats where you need to factor in risk on a personal level. Everyone is different and should do what is right according age and health etc.
I won't get into that well known anti viral that has been demonised as an alternative to further help reduce risk against hospitalisation.

sorry which one?

I'm genuinely not thinking selfishly here. I truly believe what has been done and how this has been handled is far more detrimental for society than if we had taken a different path.
On top of that vaccinating with a non neutralising leaky vaccine is more likely to create vaccine escape and new variants than a population with high levels of natural immunity.

edit: looking at the wider picture my barber and a colleague at work is suffering severe depression as a result of the past two years. None of this fallout has been a part of the governments wider plan.

edit again: all they are interested in is dropping everything and getting jabs in arms

The thing is the "other viewpoint" has been predicting vaccine/immune escape from the beginning. Thats the trouble with Coronaviruses and partly why we have never been able to successfully develop a vaccine against one.
To add to that we are still using a vaccine that only targets the spike protein from the original wuhan variant.

Does no one look at the current fear led booster campaign and think its all a bit crazy?

If they are vaccinated they are twice as likely to test positive and be off work, the current situation is due to staff shortages not bed shortages.

because that was the bit relevant to increased NHS staff absences in the vaccinated. Hospitalisation rates have been covered many times before so aren't relevant...
In my age group 15 more people per 100K are presented to emergency care within 28 days of a positive test. In terms of risk analysis I'm more than happy with that considering some of those will have nothing to do with covid and I also consider myself healthy, have previously had it and take high dose Vit D, Zinc and others.

If you look at Whittys tables on his 5pm press conferences you will see they equally say this Data is not a good representation of vaccine efficacy. So it works both ways.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1043608/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_51.pdf

Lets assume the bulk of NHS frontline staff are in the 18 to 49 range and the current issue is down to staff absence does the data attached suggest the best path was taken?

Absolutely and if you go back through my previous posts I have always said this. It does help to stop severe illness there is no denying that. As I have said from the start its all about risk analysis.

Yes of course its about data but to say its not about looking around you and factoring personal experience is silly. Are you suggesting I completely discount what I see in real life and only trust what I am told?