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Someone put loadsa work in the whole "Tweed Run" brand. Give them some credit and do not rip them off.
Mate, that was the whole point. I'm pretty confident that Tweed Run LLP haven't been put off doing further good work, and that people keen to organise other rides also won't feel scared of doing so. Either would be a real shame, cos we need more not less and volunteers aren't that common.
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Hi Cornelius,
"Shenanigans has every right to organise a ride in whichever fabric she so chooses"
I agree 100%. However it doesn't look like it gets much credence given the reaction here to the suggestion and the actions taken on FB. Quite the opposite in fact. And at a time when we need more rides, not less. Jeremy Clarkson must be loving this.
"to make out that anyone can organise an event/ride like the tweed run on a regular basis and have it run as smoothly as it does is a nonsense"
Who said this? No-one to my knowledge, anywhere. Any yes, I do know exactly how much work will be going into organising the Tweed Run. I used to run national series 2-day XC and DH MTB events, involving hundreds of volunteers.
All I recall reading was the suggestion that people get together on a semi-regular basis to ride bikes. And subsequently got slammed for it. That's all.
Cheers
Mike
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I think you're idea of what tweed run is a bit misguided. its run by two people for charity not profit. and they weren't the people arguing on the facebook page i assume.
Laner, I know exactly what it's about, and how it's run. Mind you, not many charity organisations would go to the extent of copyrighting a bike ride in old clothes.
No, Tweed Run LLP weren't arguing on FB. I commend them for their engagement to calm people down after the early opening and near-instant over-subscription caused disappointment.
The issue here is social media heavying with no engagement and targeting a woman from the anonymity of an internet forum. Or standing by while that is done.
I guess if people hereabouts don't see anything wrong with this course of action I'm not here to try to change your minds. It's just not what I'd call polite, gentlemanly or representative of what I like to call the cycling ethos.
Q: What Would Bertie Wooster do?
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Given the lateness of your response, I suspect you didn't see what she wrote before she edited it. There was none of the positive spin you have suggested.
I can only go off what I saw evolving on Facebook - if posts here have been edited I have no way of seeing them. What I can see is that members here (including from Tweed Run LLP) are still sitting by while her name is published with the obvious desire for people to 'press the point further'. At least one person saw this for the bare minimum of what it is: "creepy".
I have the records of postings to the now-defunct Alt FB group. There was nothing negative there at all.
I ask this of you all: Tweed Run LLP borrows hook, line and sinker from the Edwardian ethos of genteel, polite behaviour (Maybe that's included in their copyrighting of riding a bike in old clothes).
Is what is evidenced here toward a woman a shining example thereof?
I'd love to hear from a Tweed Run LLP director on this. And whether they agree their social media strategy needs a tweak or two.
Mike
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*This girl is pissed off that she didnt get on the ride. SHe knows nothing of its oragins ... and stands a chance of pissing off the awthoraties jepodizing the tweed run for next year. *
um...firstly, that's pure supposition. I saw NOTHING in what was written that suggested she was 'pissed off' at all. everyone who missed out was disappointed. Instead of bitching, she stood up and said 'Hey, hows about we organise something else? something regular?'
As for 'jepodizing' future events - that's utter fantasy. Are you telling me London cyclists are so scared of exercising their legal right to ride on roads they pay for that they will cower and stay away, and hurrah the bullying of those who want to ride, just in case someone thinks to penalise someone else who also rides? Utter nonsense, and not to be stood for.
Doffs hat to Teddy and Jaquie.
I see nothing in suggesting another ride in London that does anything but applaud and magnify their efforts. When another regular fashion/vintage-themed ride emerges (as it will) the participants/organisers will, to some degree, be standing on the shoulders of giants. Good. Everyone over that? No reason to hate? Hope so.
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I'm rather appalled that people hereabouts got their tits so in a tangle about an alternative group springing up. I mean Jesus guys - *don't use social media if you don't want people to be social FFS*. What was proposed was a regular ride in London, explicitly NOT on the Tweed Run dates. What on earth is wrong with that idea? and what did you expect to happen?
Or are Tweed Run PLC now the only organisation in London with a mandate to organise fashion-based cycling events?
Frankly having sweated blood to get an entry I feel rather put off the Tweed Run now, it does not leave a good taste in the mouth to see this sort of bullying and character assassination by those claiming to 'defend' the Tweed run going on. 'General Lucifer' - what a gent you are sir (other four-letter words may apply, but I'll with-hold judgement as I don't know you in person).
Guess what y'all - there WILL be rides organised that are not the Tweed Run. They won't focus on 'Tweed' - a fabric now rather tainted with the whiff of two-wheeled elitism and 'We were here first' hubris. Had the Tweed Run orgs seen the pent-up desire and actually, y'know, communicated with those helping tap into/steer it, maybe that would see what I think we all want to see - more people on bikes in London. But no - we get nasty sniping and name-posting with the clear intent to see others say/do bad things to fellow cyclists. This is just shameful. The motoring lobby must be laughing their heads off. Let's limit cycling in London to 450 hand-picked weirdos, once a year. No way do we want more, spontaneous, diverse groups. We only want Official Approved Sanctioned Organised Rides to Set Locations in an Orderly Fashion.
Now I've personally put many thousands of hours into organising cycling events, so don't fans be giving me the 'organisers are holier than thou / beyond reproach' line. There is a right and wrong way to engage with communities, and using the big stick instead of talking first was not a good move.
There was no need to call in the Facebook police, and certainly no need for what's gone on here.
'nuff said. Pedal on. I'm not getting into a flame war here either.
Mike
Thanks JackT, a pretty sharp take on the whole thing.
FWIW I've chatted with Ted and we agree on a lot of things, including not ripping off the brand they have built, the effort large bike rides take to organise when dealing with the likes of London's overlords/constabulary, indeed the sheer herding of cyclists in the right direction generally, following an entry process that may or may not gain popular blessing for whatever reason.
....And particularly that anyone is free to organise whatever they like, with obvious nod to existing events and a sense of playing fair.
It's all good.
Mike