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Just wanted to my thanks to the guys who organised this ride. Had a great day (even allowing for the deluge on the way back from Bec)
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By looking at what is spent on improving safety on the roads, you can calculate an implied value of life, and i seem to remember hearing that you get numbers in the range from tens to hundreds of thousands of pounds.
In the rail industry, they make explicit calculations of whether safety improvements are worth it, using 1.4 million per life (when i was working there, it has gone up since), but they also try to factor in 'societal concern' as extra multiplicative factors that apply in certain circumstances. Lots of people dying at once is one case were societal concern applies strongly, but risk falling disproportionally on a vulnerable group is another that might apply to the current discussion.
yeah, what you did there was take my point and make it better :)
Societal cocern is a phrase i didn't have but it's exactly what i mean. One death barely gets a mention in the media, if as part of a campiagn you can group them it can become an "issue" and therefore news -
18mph in an hour and a half....
Oh OK
happier face
I was just going by andyP's "it's just over an hour" comment earlier
Either way i'm in, first forum ride nerves i guess.
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Clustering does come into it. Even if we look at fatalities in general it's still a small sample. You mention people knowing nothing about probability theory but one of the main principles about extrapolating probability is that you can only predict future events from very large groups of numbers. It's the Monte Carlo fallacy.
Either way isn't clustering or not rather missing the point? Any death on the road, cyclist or other wise, is a terrible event. but why are roads more dangerous than trains or planes for example? because any major incident of mass transit invloves a "cluster" and so a large amount of time and public money will be invested into ensuring it doesn't happen again. (I can't find it now but there was an Economist article a few years ago about how much more money was being spent on per life saved on the railways by introducing ATP compared with how many more lives could be saved on the roads for the same budget by improving bad junctions etc) Be it true or not if you can create a public perception of a lorry incident cluster won't it drive a action to work on the problem? Shit as it is, it's an arguement about politics as much as fact.
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aggressive and stupid is just as dangerous as naive and stupid.
Most people don't observe the traffic around them and make their judgements on it, they blindly, selfishly and carelessly carry on their way as they see fit without looking or allowing for hazards.
That's cyclists, drivers, and pedestrians of both genders.
HTFU? yeah, HTFU and start taking dangerous drivers off the road first
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yes every dangerous and illegal truck should be taken off london's streets but equally any article such as this, which is honestly gonna be read by far more people than this forum, is good. It spreads the message about how to make cycling safer
i'm sure there's gotta be some number about how if everyone took a second longer to think or took 1% less how exponentially better off we'd all be as road users -
- texas
- andyp
- Gav
- clintchoker
- Lello
- TT Tom
- Spins
- Sasmon (whether he knows it yet or not)
- PinkGottiMobbs (Will twisted my arm)
- Cornelius Hillfoot (100% steadfast certainity for turning up as i love doing miles)
- mjs110. (Smithfield)
- brett (CP)
- purple_I'm sure I'm really Italian_mj (Smithfield)
- Random factor (CP)
18 mph over a mostly uphill route is about 25% faster than i reckon i normaly ride so i'll probably get dropped at around Elmers End but I'm looking forward to watching the hill climb (something I've never done before) so even if i end up in an autobus of just me i'll get to the hill in time and i'm saying now that i don't expect you guys to wait for me.
I'll be the one looking scared outside CSG on a orange and yellow Orbea if you could just say hi before you disappear up the road! - texas
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I almost got taken out by a pedestrian by KCH, in Denmark Hill yesterday morning, who had run across the road from the bus stop. The guy riding in front of me did get knocked off, taking one of the pedestrians with him. 'But you were going so fast!' was her defence. Well, don't run across the road without properly taking in to account that a cyclist going downhill is going be somewhat alacritous.
Despite this warning only yesterday i also managed to take out a ped outside KCH this morning. Do hospitals give off some kind of aura that makes people feel invulnerable?
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rolling is meant to mean a little bit faster than 'amble'. so the pace is more likely to be leisurely-rolling. it is a decent ride (hills...etc) and we want to get there but i don't want to deter people from coming along. so maybe bring a map and if you feel like pace is to high tell us and we'll either slow down or see you down there.
Let's be honest I just need to HTFU! Count me in, i'll be at Crystal Palace for 8.45 since i'm starting from south london
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I'd but up for this, although i'll probably have to bring my own copy of the route since a "rolling" pace might be a bit quick for me at 8.45 on a Sunday morning. Does it count as being part of a forum ride if you turn up at the end 30mins after everyone else?
I really like the idea of this ride, but it's the day after Muddy Hell and a 8.15 start might be a bit early on the expected hangover. Maybe i'll lie in a bit and catch a train a bit of the way down and join in halfway, or is that too much cheating?