Why the necessary that the bag need to be use by courier in order to make the bag slighty more credible?
As long it can withstand 150 miles a week plus in comfort while manage to keep it dry no matter the condition, it's perfect.
finally someone gets it, you preeners all soaking each other with tongue spittle don't but this fellow does. You list totes and purses and laptop cases as messenger / courier bags, that's all i was saying. I didn't mean to offend except to criticize your list, which is fine except 90%+ of it is crap.
UK available list for example
FAIL
ACME MADE
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Acme_...senger_Bag.htm (Clyde City Messenger) [] £65.44
FAIL
BILLINGHAM
http://www.billingham.co.uk/acatalog/Packington.html (Packington) [9.8L] £161.70
FAIL
CRUMPLER
http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewPro...UBCAT_CODE=117 (New Dehli 770) [] £126.98
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Crump...senger_Bag.htm (Super Boomer) £47.17
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=C...oduct_line=648 (Cheesy Disco Big Logo) 139.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=N...d=NYW-003&size= (New York Warehouse) 119.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=D...d=BWW-004&size= (Dinky Di) 79.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=T...M-004&size=big (Royal Sackli XL) 139.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=W...&ignore_color= (Wonder Weenie) 79.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=H...&ignore_color= (Hairy Lee) 79.Euros
FAIL
DOMKE
http://www.digitaldepot.co.uk/produc...ucts_id=343352 (F-804) [19.8L] £107.65
FAIL
FREITAG
http://www.londongraphics.co.uk/cgi-...AGNET#aDRAGNET (Surfside 6) £97
http://thenuflow.blogspot.com/2007/1...e-and-rex.html
http://www.freitag.ch
FAIL
HOWIES {special note, material [treated canvas+leather] is not truly waterproof, but will refuse water access for many hours}
http://www.howies.co.uk/product.php/1603/92/ (Hand Me Down Messenger) [] £185
http://www.howies.co.uk/product.php/1601/92/ (Hand Me Down Backpack) [] £195
FAIL
INCASE
http://www.flatspot.com/store/incase...ue-3747-0.html (DOM) [42L] £200
http://www.flatspot.com/store/incase...ed-3739-0.html (Nylon) [] £75
FAIL
KARRIMOR
http://www.aktive8.com/p/Karrimor-Bi.../KB9125BK.html (Freighter) £65
FAIL
KATA
http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewPro...ing%20Backpack (3N1-20 Sling Backpack) [10.5L] £89.98
FAIL
KNOG
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Kn...ag/5360039636/ (Pig Dog) [24L] £70.47
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Kn...ag/5360039637/ (Franks Dog) [17.6L] £75.75
http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Knog-Corsa-M...-Bag_11629.htm (Corsa) [20L] £42.99
http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...mpaign=froogle (Big Dog) [30L] £78.29
FAIL
LINNELL (Royal Mail)
http://www.michaellinnell.co.uk/inde...%20and%20Trays £25
FAIL
LOWEPRO
http://www.digitalrev.com/en/lowepro...5061-3355.html (Messenger Factor L) [18.4L] £44.32
FAIL
MANHATTAN PORTAGE
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Manhattan_Portage_West_Side_(Large)_Laptop_Messeng er_Bag/5360038842/ (Westside Large) [16.4L] £87.20
FAIL
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewPro...UBCAT_CODE=117 (Earth Explorer 2477) [23.7L] £107.61
FAIL
NORTH-FACE
http://www.itchyfeet.com/product_inf...e575d046d649fa (Shifty) [22L] £39.14
http://www.cmmonline.co.uk/items/def...42&ref=Froogle (Ruckus) [35L] £39.15
http://www.ellis-brigham.com/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi?prod_code_in=204110&transid=&SQLCode Link=AND~((~PROD_DESC~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_FEATURES~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_NAME~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~product.PROD_CODE~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_MAN~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_CATEGORIES~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_KEYWORDS~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_COLOURS~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'))~AND~PROD_SPECIAL_FLAG~=~'0'~AND~PRO D_NODISP~!=~1,pageLimit=0&mode=user&config=1,0,0,1 &rowsFound=5&srchType= (Trans Messenger) [22L] £40.37
FAIL
ORTLIEB
http://bicyclemagic.web-epos.com/pro..._SlingIt_Nylon (Sling-It) [21L] £67.50
FAIL
OSPREY TRANSIT
https://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/webp...N=&MENUSTATE=N (Elroy 25) [25L] £48.95
FAIL
OXIO
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Oxio_...Laptop_Bag.htm (Camouflage) [36L] £56.99
FAIL
PAKUMA
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Pakum...senger_Bag.htm (Choroka K1) [24L] £59.99
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Pakum...senger_Bag.htm (Choroka K2) [18L] £37.50
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Pakuma_Choroka_K3LT.htm (Choroka K3) [16L] £54.04
FAIL
PATAGONIA
http://www.itchyfeet.com/product_inf...e575d046d649fa (Critical Mass) [46L] £63.61
FAIL
????? no bag at all
PROJECT TORTOISE [cannot confirm viability at this time]
http://doknot.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/12
FAIL
PUMA SAILING MESSENGER BAG
http://www2.eshop.puma.com/WelcomeAc...n=red&source=8&# £40.00
FAIL
SCHWALBE COURIER/TYRE BAG
http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/ebwP...c003119c003123 11.5L £24.46
FAIL
TAMRAC
http://www.somersetcameras.co.uk/pro...oducts_froogle (Velocity 10x) [17.4L] £48.36
FAIL
VAUDE
http://www.koffer24.de/home.php?artNr=13976&js=true (Gustav) [19L] 79.95.Euros
FAIL
ZWEI
http://www.bicycleworkshop.co.uk/pro...=m2b17s145p239 (U18K) [18L] £94.90
http://tragware.com/product_info.php...b4781cb72ad65f (Courier C20) [27.5L] 99.90Euros
that's obvious, most of it isn't messenger /courier bags, most are barely water resistant much less with a waterproof layer, many let water in through gaping holes on the top, most have straight straps that dont conform to the body making for less comfort, no padding on the straps, none of the stuff that makes the bags that pro messengers use what they use...sorry for pissing you off, but you can't deny that your idea of what makes a bag a messenger / courier bag puts you up there with Jessica Simpson, you twatters.
YOU
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/106/317201395_642b588756.jpg
MESSENGER
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/92264006_475b7544e9.jpg?v=0
http://www.tonicfab.com/uploaded_images/monster-767065.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07YW7RM7lJfRd/610x.jpg
so you see I wasn't trying to make you al sensitive, just criticizing these crappy lists, which are crap, I'm sorry they are crap, and that's my apology, forum fag "gang"
finally someone gets it, you preeners all soaking each other with tongue spittle don't but this fellow does. You list totes and purses and laptop cases as messenger / courier bags, that's all i was saying. I didn't mean to offend except to criticize your list, which is fine except 90%+ of it is crap.
UK available list for example
FAIL
ACME MADE
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Acme_...senger_Bag.htm (Clyde City Messenger) [] £65.44
FAIL
BILLINGHAM
http://www.billingham.co.uk/acatalog/Packington.html (Packington) [9.8L] £161.70
FAIL
CRUMPLER
http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewPro...UBCAT_CODE=117 (New Dehli 770) [] £126.98
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Crump...senger_Bag.htm (Super Boomer) £47.17
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=C...oduct_line=648 (Cheesy Disco Big Logo) 139.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=N...d=NYW-003&size= (New York Warehouse) 119.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=D...d=BWW-004&size= (Dinky Di) 79.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=T...M-004&size=big (Royal Sackli XL) 139.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=W...&ignore_color= (Wonder Weenie) 79.Euros
http://www.crumpler.co.uk/?product=H...&ignore_color= (Hairy Lee) 79.Euros
FAIL
DOMKE
http://www.digitaldepot.co.uk/produc...ucts_id=343352 (F-804) [19.8L] £107.65
FAIL
FREITAG
http://www.londongraphics.co.uk/cgi-...AGNET#aDRAGNET (Surfside 6) £97
http://thenuflow.blogspot.com/2007/1...e-and-rex.html
http://www.freitag.ch
FAIL
HOWIES {special note, material [treated canvas+leather] is not truly waterproof, but will refuse water access for many hours}
http://www.howies.co.uk/product.php/1603/92/ (Hand Me Down Messenger) [] £185
http://www.howies.co.uk/product.php/1601/92/ (Hand Me Down Backpack) [] £195
FAIL
INCASE
http://www.flatspot.com/store/incase...ue-3747-0.html (DOM) [42L] £200
http://www.flatspot.com/store/incase...ed-3739-0.html (Nylon) [] £75
FAIL
KARRIMOR
http://www.aktive8.com/p/Karrimor-Bi.../KB9125BK.html (Freighter) £65
FAIL
KATA
http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewPro...ing%20Backpack (3N1-20 Sling Backpack) [10.5L] £89.98
FAIL
KNOG
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Kn...ag/5360039636/ (Pig Dog) [24L] £70.47
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Kn...ag/5360039637/ (Franks Dog) [17.6L] £75.75
http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Knog-Corsa-M...-Bag_11629.htm (Corsa) [20L] £42.99
http://www.evanscycles.com/products/...mpaign=froogle (Big Dog) [30L] £78.29
FAIL
LINNELL (Royal Mail)
http://www.michaellinnell.co.uk/inde...%20and%20Trays £25
FAIL
LOWEPRO
http://www.digitalrev.com/en/lowepro...5061-3355.html (Messenger Factor L) [18.4L] £44.32
FAIL
MANHATTAN PORTAGE
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/Cycle/7/Manhattan_Portage_West_Side_(Large)_Laptop_Messeng er_Bag/5360038842/ (Westside Large) [16.4L] £87.20
FAIL
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/ViewPro...UBCAT_CODE=117 (Earth Explorer 2477) [23.7L] £107.61
FAIL
NORTH-FACE
http://www.itchyfeet.com/product_inf...e575d046d649fa (Shifty) [22L] £39.14
http://www.cmmonline.co.uk/items/def...42&ref=Froogle (Ruckus) [35L] £39.15
http://www.ellis-brigham.com/cgi-bin/psProdDet.cgi?prod_code_in=204110&transid=&SQLCode Link=AND~((~PROD_DESC~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_FEATURES~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_NAME~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~product.PROD_CODE~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_MAN~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_CATEGORIES~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_KEYWORDS~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'~OR~PROD_COLOURS~LIKE~'%trans-antarctica%'))~AND~PROD_SPECIAL_FLAG~=~'0'~AND~PRO D_NODISP~!=~1,pageLimit=0&mode=user&config=1,0,0,1 &rowsFound=5&srchType= (Trans Messenger) [22L] £40.37
FAIL
ORTLIEB
http://bicyclemagic.web-epos.com/pro..._SlingIt_Nylon (Sling-It) [21L] £67.50
FAIL
OSPREY TRANSIT
https://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/webp...N=&MENUSTATE=N (Elroy 25) [25L] £48.95
FAIL
OXIO
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Oxio_...Laptop_Bag.htm (Camouflage) [36L] £56.99
FAIL
PAKUMA
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Pakum...senger_Bag.htm (Choroka K1) [24L] £59.99
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Pakum...senger_Bag.htm (Choroka K2) [18L] £37.50
http://www.laptopstuff.co.uk/p/Pakuma_Choroka_K3LT.htm (Choroka K3) [16L] £54.04
FAIL
PATAGONIA
http://www.itchyfeet.com/product_inf...e575d046d649fa (Critical Mass) [46L] £63.61
FAIL
????? no bag at all
PROJECT TORTOISE [cannot confirm viability at this time]
http://doknot.wordpress.com/2007/08/18/12
FAIL
PUMA SAILING MESSENGER BAG
http://www2.eshop.puma.com/WelcomeAc...n=red&source=8&# £40.00
FAIL
SCHWALBE COURIER/TYRE BAG
http://www.edinburghbicycle.com/ebwP...c003119c003123 11.5L £24.46
FAIL
TAMRAC
http://www.somersetcameras.co.uk/pro...oducts_froogle (Velocity 10x) [17.4L] £48.36
FAIL
VAUDE
http://www.koffer24.de/home.php?artNr=13976&js=true (Gustav) [19L] 79.95.Euros
FAIL
ZWEI
http://www.bicycleworkshop.co.uk/pro...=m2b17s145p239 (U18K) [18L] £94.90
http://tragware.com/product_info.php...b4781cb72ad65f (Courier C20) [27.5L] 99.90Euros
that's obvious, most of it isn't messenger /courier bags, most are barely water resistant much less with a waterproof layer, many let water in through gaping holes on the top, most have straight straps that dont conform to the body making for less comfort, no padding on the straps, none of the stuff that makes the bags that pro messengers use what they use...sorry for pissing you off, but you can't deny that your idea of what makes a bag a messenger / courier bag puts you up there with Jessica Simpson, you twatters.
YOU
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/106/317201395_642b588756.jpg
MESSENGER
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/27/92264006_475b7544e9.jpg?v=0
http://www.tonicfab.com/uploaded_images/monster-767065.jpg
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07YW7RM7lJfRd/610x.jpg
so you see I wasn't trying to make you al sensitive, just criticizing these crappy lists, which are crap, I'm sorry they are crap, and that's my apology, forum fag "gang"