Cliff Shrubb 56 or 57 and 58 cm Seat tube 56 cm top tube De Ver (Roberts Built) beautiful steel frame with eclectic period parts. Full bike.

This is on sprint rims, so tubular tyres, which are not in great condition. Nice mix of period quality parts. Campag Gran Sport brakes and hubs, sun tour gear set with nice aero gear levers. Cinelli bars and 1a stem. Ofmega chainset. Paint original but pretty tatty. Lovely details, lug work, bottom bracket is slotted and track rear stays, this is a rigid strong frame, assume Reynolds 531, no decal is shown. Having spoken to De Ver they confirmed that Roberts built the frames.
I may have some ma2 rims to go with it if you wanted to re spoke the hubs onto clinchers.

£285.00 collect Reigate.

Would split up if enough interest. Prefer to sell complete.

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Nice project for someone. GLWS

Lovely - sadly too big for me... GLWS

Yes this is one lovely and quite rare bike, would be a great Eroica bike or beater with a few tweaks. I have some straight bars if you like that type of thing.

Did Roberts make all De Ver's frames? I have a De Vers touring bike in Reynolds 501. It is superb quality and it would be interesting to know who built it.

Lovely bike Jon. Would fit me too ... :/

As a matter if interest: When you say ‘track rear stays’, what do you mean by this?

Not sure but Maurice Burton did a small talk at the roberts reunion event and was eternally grateful to roberts for his early bikes and sucess.
Sounds completely plausible and likely, esp considering they were near to each other.

The stays are thicker than average road stays. Thus making it ideal for a strong sprinter back in the day.
I looked up a bit about De Ver and the Australian who opened the shop learnt to build frames and may have built some, however when I enquired about whether they had any decals left over, which they didn’t the guy said that Roberts had built most of the frames. Quite amazing how many frame builders were in the Croydon area back in the day. I have Allins, Cliff Shrubbs and this is kind of like having a Roberts and a de Ver.

@wildwest

Maurice Burton did a small talk at the roberts reunion event

Gosh, just caught up with the Roberts thread here, saw his photo - I’m such a fool for not going!

@VintageJon Ah yes, those stays do look quite thick like trackie ones.

I get what you mean about having a De Ver and a Roberts ... I have for some accident collected a bunch of frames built by northerners, often badged for shops elsewhere... but I’m the proud owner of a Geoffrey Butler track frame which I’m told was built by Shrubb... funnily enough the stays are rather thick too.

@Skülly So this is a Cliff Shrubb built Allin, if you zoom in on the drop out join to fork or rear triangle you will note that the braze is not domed, rather cut back to the fork blade and rear Stays. This was how Cliff finished his frames. If the Butler is finished like this then Cliff built it. This one has a nice history. I may sell it.

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Thanks for the info re braze finishing at the ends. I’ll have a closer look.

Lovely, that Allin. Let us know if you decide to part with it, then perhaps you can tell us the history bit.

If anyone wants the De Ver frame 120£ takes it. The brake set etc will be up for grabs once the frame has sold.
Allin / Cliff Shrubb was built for a guy who worked at Allin Cycles, he knew Cliff built the better frames so he got Cliff to build his frame. It’s Columbus SL. I need to measure but sure it’s a 57 cm. I will let this go for £450. The group is either Athena or Chorus. Sup rims on campag hubs. I’ll have a better look at it by the weekend.

Still in my garage. Well worth considering either of these as I don’t own any rubbish. I have a graphite coloured rim to match the back wheel on the Allin.

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Allin has found a good home. De ver I still have.

Dibs on the de ver. Just because I live in Croydon and actually like it.

Okay I’ll pm you.

I had to un-dibs the de Ver because it's too big. Someone should really snap this up. It's a Roberts in disguise and Jon is offering a great price.