US Politics

Trump's brand of post truth and his willingness to suggest without saying are making this intresting enough for another politics tab.

Hints at assassination are really extreme but it feels like it is becoming a new norm. His supports just shrug it off as a wilful misinterpretation by the Clinton campaign/mainstream media.

Really interesting tho is this building of the idea that if Trump doesn't win then the election is illegitimate. Where are they going with this. Is this as extreme as the Trump team knowing they wont win and looking at other avenues to take power or are they just simply throwing another cat on the table.

Roger Stone, an informal adviser to the Trump campaign, implied last month to internet agitator Milo Yiannopoulos that the notion of discrediting the election as “illegitimate” is part of Trump’s campaign strategy.

“I think we have widespread voter fraud, but the first thing that Trump needs to do is begin talking about it constantly,” Stone said. “He needs to say for example, today would be a perfect example: ‘I am leading in Florida. The polls all show it. If I lose Florida, we will know that there’s voter fraud. If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government.’”

“If you can’t have an honest election, nothing else counts,” Stone continued. “I think he’s gotta put them on notice that their inauguration will be a rhetorical, and when I mean civil disobedience, not violence, but it will be a bloodbath. The government will be shut down if they attempt to steal this and swear Hillary in. No, we will not stand for it. We will not stand for it.”

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Donald Trump calls Barack Obama the 'founder of Isis'

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/11/donald-trump-calls-barack-obama-the-founder-of-isis?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

I wouldn't class myself as a conspiracy theorist but I wouldn't be surprised if there was a close run state as with Bush/Gore and there was some fiddling to allow Clinton to take it.

(not to say I actually believe the election will be rigged though)

I think that the pre-emptive vote rigging alligation is twofold; 1) it reinforces Clinton's image as establishment / corrupt / etc. 2) if it is close then it gives wiggle room to contest those states, which in turn may enable a re-vote... which may push people to vote for him.

Originally I thought Trump would disappear, then I thought he may win, until very recently I've actually been convinced he will take it.

Luckily this article has given me some hope:
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/with-only-90-days-until-the-election-trumps-steady-decline-in-the-polls-means-he-needs-a-miracle-to-win

http://varianceexplained.org/r/trump-tweets/

Fascinating... and disturbing.

...yet not surprising.

Great piece @Apone.

Not read this yet....http://time.com/4447985/inside-donald-trump-meltdown/

Good article. Got the tab left open on my work computer though, and the title is shortened to 'Text anal...'

So now Trump claims Obama 'founded' the so-called Islamic State organisation.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/aug/12/donald-trump-fact-check-obama-isis-veterans-hillary-guns

It's anyone's guess whether these are really 'lies' or whether, like a number of other (would-be and actual) 'world leaders', he has lost his mind.

After saying it three times, he's now said he was being sarcastic, which only tells us that he doesn't understand sarcasm either.

538.com is the place I go to get respite from and explanation of Trump's outbursts.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/polls.html?_r=0

Starting to get close in the polls

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I think there is something more seriously wrong with Clinton than pneumonia. Unless the Dems change candidate, I think this is going to gift the election to Trump. They should have gone for Bernie.

so the trump foundation and the clinton foundation are both under investigation for dodgy doings

must be great to be untouchable and above the law

It's not the first time the Clinton name has been associated with scandal. That whole Lewinsky saga left a bad taste in the mouth.
I couldn't stop myself, sorry.

As someone said on Twitter

"if Hillary really is using her last months and dying breaths to save America from fascism she should get her face on Rushmore"

Pneumonia is already pretty serious, or can be, and Clinton's no spring chicken. 30k people die from it every year in the UK. Why do you think it's something else?

30k people die from it every year in the UK.

Thanks Obama.

1). I think the video footage shows her collapse and be dragged into the waiting vehicle. Look at her feet in the video. Perhaps she fainted due to exhaustion and pneumonia. It looks disturbing.

2). They clearly tried to prevent disclosure of her pneumonia, and changed the story for the reason she left the 9/11 event. That suggests to me they are trying to hide something deeper.

3). It seems quite clear that her personal doctor attended the event with her and asked her to squeeze her finger. This is apparently a test for a neurological condition.

4). Trump has been raising speculation about her health for ages. I think it is likely that he had some intel about a probable health condition, and wanted to fan the flames. Having laid the ground work he is now getting his reward. Grim but sadly effective.

Whatever the truth, it is a perfect storm for Clinton. She is already seen as hugely untrustworthy - many are unlikely to believe her statement of a clean bill of health.

1). Fainting/collapsing is pretty disturbing. For any reason.

2). Pneumonia is seen as serious, the fact they tried not to disclose it doesn't suggest to me that it means it must be something worse.

3). Isn't it reasonable, if you faint or feel faint, to test neuro stuff as quickly as possible in case it's a stroke? It doesn't mean they had any particular reason to think it would be, or that they didn't already know about pneumonia.

I'm not arguing that it must be pneumonia, just that none of those things seem particularly suspicious.

3). It seems quite clear that her personal doctor attended the event with her and asked her to squeeze her finger. This is apparently a test for a neurological condition.

Or the doctor has gas.

likely that he had some intel

r/the_donald is not intel.

I think you need to treat yourself to a bit of Occam's Razor.

Some quite interesting analysis of various opinions on Trump and Clinton

http://www.people-press.org/2016/09/21/in-their-own-words-why-voters-support-and-have-concerns-about-clinton-and-trump/

I missed this last weekend but the WashPo have done an excellent analysis of Trump's charitable giving, or lack of it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/trump-charity-donations/