Wtd Campag chorus/record brakes (modern)

Hi I'm after a nice set of modern chorus or record calipers please. I'm after a set that uses bearings on the front caliper. I have a set of chorus a few years old but they use the bearing system like record. Whereas the new chorus don't? guess cost saving?
Hope that makes sense let me know what you've got thanks Jon

Only 2007/8 Chorus had Skeletons with bearing mounted pivots.

When Super Record was reintroduced in 2009, Chorus was downgraded.

FWIW, you might just as well upgrade your Chorus with titanium fixings.

Spot the difference between Super Record and Record...

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Jim you are truly a legend thank you. I am keen on the bearings as of all my Campag Skelton brakes they definitely have more power. Out of interest u can get a pair of non chorus bearings off here. Do you think they'll be and better than the centaur ones fitted? I was thinking about upgrading my groupset to 10 record from centaur but honestly wonder if I'm gaining anything apart from the label? hence why I thought I'd I upgrade the brakes that's kinda a key aspect to keeping alive. Thanks again Jon

So after some observing the diagram is it the bolt that is the only thing different? plus the logo ;)

Bearings are smoother than bushes, not more powerful, but definitely an upgrade.

I'm a bit confused as to what you have and what you want. To be clear, Skeletons fitted with bearings are:

• 2007/8 Chorus;
  
• 2007 to date Record;
  
• 2009 to date Super Record.
  
  

The second-tier groupset is generally accepted to be the best value, offering all the function of the top tier at a modest weight penalty, but without the premium.

However, with 10v Campag it is a little more complicated. When the third generation Ergo were introduced in 2009, Record and Chorus went 11v and only Centaur and Veloce got them in the 10v flavour (the difference between Centaur and Veloce Ergo, is just the brake lever).

Although SR and Athena were reintroduced before then, the groups' equipment didn't get downgraded to account for the new line-up until 2011 when Powershift and Power Torque were introduced.

This means that in 2009/10 Centaur was still equipped as the third tier group, although it occupied the fourth and fifth spots. Indeed, +2011 Chorus is (broadly speaking) the 11v flavour of 2009/10 10v Centaur!

Thinking specifically of brakes, if you want better braking then buy better pads and cables: upper tier brakes are more shiny and lighter, but they won't stop you any better.

Thanks Jim,like I say I currently have chorus with bearings on my best bike. But was looking to get the same or higher for my best so I could then move my existing chorus to my 853 to improve the braking on that. Plus it'll match the upgrading groupset I'm adding to it. I'm taking off the daytona and putting primarily record on. Hope that makes things clearer? j

So after some observing the diagram is it the bolt that is the only thing different? plus the logo ;)

Yup. SR gets just enough extra titanium for there to be a difference between it and Record: but compare the price difference!

If you've got Chorus, then upgrade that with the kit I linked to above. The cost/benefit of BR-SR004 doesn't make sense unless you're an obsessive...

Crazy really and how the marketing lures us in! I'm not that obsessive to change a bolt. Time to stop riding if I do that I think. Was just aware of the better braking performance offered by the brakes with bearings. And wanted to upgrade my centaur skeletons. I ride plenty of hill's around north devon, exmoor, dartmoor so to me brakes are vital. I've upgraded pads and found that does help. Thanks again j

If you want 10v and you want 3rd gen. Ergo, then I'd go for 2009/10 Centaur or Veloce: Centaur for carbon bling, Veloce for the same function but less pretty.

From 2011, 10v gets Power Torque and Powershift: a definite downgrade from Ultra torque and Ultrashift.

Cool got those currently so sorted in my little head that's all staying now just need the brakes to add to finish my bike quest off! For now anyway ;)

...the better braking performance offered by the brakes with bearings...

Skeletons with bushes will stop you just as well as Skeletons with bearings (all other things being equal).

Bearings will feel smoother, which may inspire more confidence, but they are not more powerful.

I second what @Scilly.Suffolk says. ball-bearings are great for modulation and smoothness.for power, they do not do much.

btw, every prae-2008 chorus has ball bearings and hidden pivots (not the earliest models though()

with the introduction of SR in 2009, chorus was downgraded, basically the 2009 calipers are identical to 2008 centaurs with different blocks..

ohh there's one funny thing:

2010 Veloce-Centaur-Athena : all US AND BALL BEARINGS :)

apart from these, only record-super record and chorus has ball bearings ... though actually 1999 athena levers also had ball bearing mechanism, as those levers were "re badged" chorus ones.. :)

ahh and also note:

old mirage levers were capable of downshifting 8 cogs.. mirage 2008 had UltraTorque cranks.. badbadcampagnolo

Halberton thanks. Not being a dilbert but trying to compute that info. Were the 2010 brakes labeled as such? Or can you just tell from looking at the rear of the brakes? ta j

He's talking about levers, not brake calipers.

Embarrassed face right here!

@skinnywheels levers are easily said apart due to the split in the hoods and the totally different grapihics.-finish on brake lever.

as for the calipers?

Chorus 2008 has HIDDEN PIVOT BOLTS, just like record, whereas 2009 model is basically a centaur.

Also, campy likes to write "ball bearing mechanism2 on everything which has ball bearings :)

btw, I'd just buy sram rival calipers or force.. chheaperlighter and prowerfrul

Thanks is missed the point about levers rather than calipers. Yes I wouldn't not consider another brake manufacture. We'll see cheers Jon

levers are easily said apart due to the split in the hoods and the totally different grapihics.-finish on brake lever.

You can tell the difference because they look completely different? Cheers, thanks for the education.

I didn't ask about levers. The OP didn't ask about levers. The only person talking about levers is you.

I simply pointed out that you were talking about levers and not Skeleton brake callipers, which we had been discussing.

Chorus 2008 has HIDDEN PIVOT BOLTS, just like record, whereas 2009 model is basically a centaur.

You mean like I said in #6 above?

To be clear, Skeletons fitted with bearings are:

• 2007/8 Chorus;
  
• 2007 to date Record;
  
• 2009 to date Super Record.
  

hey? problem?

I've written both about the calipers and levers as well. My first post in thre thread was regarding the calipers..

"btw, every prae-2008 chorus has ball bearings and hidden pivots (not the earliest models though()

with the introduction of SR in 2009, chorus was downgraded, basically the 2009 calipers are identical to 2008 centaurs with different blocks.."

and after it I just added a little "interesting fact" about the levers as well.. Have you actually read my first post in regards to this thread? :

First, I've written that prae2008 chorus had bearings in the calipers.
Then added the fact, that also some low-end levers had this feature, which is typically only seen with chorus-record-sr.

I did not intend to hijack anything, I just thought it would not hurt anyone to share that as well.. -.-'

Cheers

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thanks halbert think I pm'd you cheers jon