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• #2
Bonts.
Have you used road cleats before though? You might want to go for the normal yellow cleats first as the red ones don't have any float in them and if you set them up wrong your knees won't thank you.
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• #3
I currently use the blue shimano spd sl for regular training with Shimano r240 Carbon heat mouldable shoes.
Knees feel ok once I warm up properly first.
The slight 1 degree float doesn't feel explosive during standing start practice.
Also I keep on having to max out the tension otherwise my foot pops out if the tension is set to half way.
I just feel that if I have the tension cranked up though secure can get me in trouble if practicing on the road. Need more leg strength and technique I guess.
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• #6
The DMT pista carbon is solid and thick much more dense than my shimano shoes.
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• #7
How many watts must you be putting out?! ;)
I've been using the entry level Riot model for about a year now and they feel as good as when I first got them. I am looking to upgrade to Vaypors soon, hopefully the track model, cash depending.
If your foot is popping out you need to look at your pedal setup. Have you got a decent mid to top range Shimano pedal, or a cheap or third party pedal that is compatible with Shimano cleats?
You might also want to look into attaching straps to your clipless setup if you are serious about sprinting. I've added strap loops to my Ultegra pedals and have never had a problem with unclipping.
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• #8
May need some attaching straps advice/help. Seen some DIY posts somewhere a while ago.
I use the shimano r550 they are fine if set to max tension. But as I said feels really difficult to ever clip out which is fine on a track but not sure how I feel on the road with that.
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• #9
You shouldn't need full tension on the road. It seems a bit odd. There are sites out there with DIY strap advice, although some pedals work better than others. I bought my current pedal setup on here and they came with a strap loop bolted to the bottom of the pedal. A nearer solution than zip ties, but zip ties are just as effective.
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• #10
It's only when I was practicing starts on a quiet road every now and then my right foot became unclipped so I'm wondering is it
because that is my dominant foot?
The cleats are worn on that foot?
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• #11
It happened only once in the last 3 months while actually commuting. Lol I was track standing and morning traffic was behind. Lights went green right foot unclipped and I near went down. Had to swerve avoid the fellow cyclists and pull off to the side of the road mashing heel. No brakes.
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• #12
Part of your problem is you are trying to train for standing starts on your commute. Get yourself to a velodrome or crank a turbo trainer up to maximum resistance.
If you need to lower the tension of your pedals for road riding, then you shouldn't be doing standing starts during the ride.
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• #13
I've bont riots for track and spds for the commute.
The bonts are lovely shoes and I'd happily recommend. Roboto knows his stuff too but end of day there is always a bit of personal taste and preferences involved
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• #14
Hmmm... Good advice.
I was trying to do sprints on a semi quiet road but sometimes a car, scooter or bike may go by.
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• #15
Just do standing starts on an empty road or a carpark. Roll very slowly, almost to a stop -then just as the pedal stroke reaches where you would have it for a start, jump into it.
As for shoes - I like the specialized s-works shoes I have. Very stiff and incredible, tight fit. Would consider Bonts when the S-Works fall apart, but would go for the regular Vaypors over the track ones - good enough for Bobby Forstemann...
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• #16
Thanks for the advice.
I can say having laces gets the shoe tight and snug as ever. Prefer laces to straps.
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• #17
I had bont a2's for about 18 months and loved them, they fit superbly and were super stiff. I retired them in June and picked up a pair of bont riots which are complete w4nk in comparison, I almost prefer to ride my road bike with my old bontrager cx shoes!
As for pedals, I use r540's on my track bike and have never managed to pull my shoe out, though admittedly I wouldn't be pushing out that much peak power.
Next on my shopping list are a pair of nicer road shoes again, may just go with a2's again, or track vaypors, and a pair of straps.
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• #18
Thanks for that feedback bro.
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• #19
bont riots which are complete w4nk in comparison
In what way(s)?
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• #20
Nowhere near as mould able as the a2's I had before them, so don't hold my feet at all despite numerous attempts to fix the problem.
They feel cheap too, but then again they are cheap for a "mouldable" carbon sole...
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• #21
I love my Bont A2's and A3's.
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• #22
There's a new pair of Bont Vapor track 9.5 currently on ebay for £165 or best offer
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• #23
I don't have the money for dedicated track shoes, and am keen to make use of a pair of (look) cleats on the road. Any recommendations for entry level/low cost options that are a good halfway house? Of course if money was no object I'd go full aero and everything, but that's not possible right now.
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• #24
Just upgraded to the Bont Vaypors this week. Wow, what a difference from the Riots. I was impressed with the stiffness of the Riots, but the Vaypors are on a whole other level.
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• #25
I've been using the Shimano RO78 for the past 18 months. Under £50, would buy again if on budget.
Started with SPD for general use, then look keo for LVV hire bikes and now Spd-SL on my own bike on and off track.
Get some hotspots after 3-4 hours, and have to remember to back off the velcro if you start cold early morning and it gets hot, but I'm not meticulous about cleat position so probably as much user error as anything else.
Just bought some DMT track pista shoes. Waiting for some fixed red SPD SL cleats to arrive to test them but tried on and they feel great?
What are your favourites?