For Sale: Campagnolo C-record / Record and more mixed 8 speed groupset incl. wheels

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Beautiful, however, if you ever consider splitting, I'll dibs the crankset :)

Hmm the wheels are sooo nice. :)

Some nice bits there and in great condition.

However, they're not 1st generation (1992) Ergo, they're from 1993 (so 2nd gen.): 1st gen. had a unique triangular end to the brake lever and in 1993 the body used carbon fibre and had "carbon" written above the lever/below the hood.

FYI the brakes are 1994: Delta before then and in 1995 Campag started putting groupset names on components.

If you check the back of the cranks there's a date code.

The real puzzle is the rear derailleur: the "knurled" cable adjuster is the earlier type (1991 and earlier), where as that type of cable clamp nut was introduced in 1992 and not used by Record.

I trawled the catalogues on the assumption that either the adjuster or the nut was a replacement and my best guess was that it's 1992 Chorus with an older cable adjuster. Record used a different type of cable clamp with a tabbed washer, which required a locating hole in the body of the derailleur below the right-hand limit adjuster screw: you can see there is no hole in the body of yours, so the clamp nut looked to be original.

Not an entirely satisfactory answer though: I'm not even sure the older adjuster will fit and although I can imagine using newer parts as a replacement on an older RD, old parts on a newer one seemed the least likely scenario.

So I had a look at Velobase: usually my last resort, due to it being UGC so only as good as the people contributing...

However, I think it came up trumps this time! Campag did make RD which had both the "old" adjuster and the "new" clamp... their off-road/MTB range!

Long story short, I think you have a 1991 Centaur RD (it was available in long, medium and short variants and also in the usual finish); possibly 1992, but Campag produced a Road and an Off-Road catalogue that year and I only have Road. 1991 catalogue here.

Thanks for shedding some light on it. I will change the things in my first posts very soon. I don't have much time for it now.

I also tried to figure out what part is from which group. It's very hard to find the right group. A lot of things look the same from that period.

A lot of things look the same from that period.

Trickle down innit.

If you have the time and the inclination, it can be "rewarding" to sit down and track components through the catalogues and pick the bargains: one year's Chorus, is Athena two/three years down the line. To preserve Record's value, its components rarely got handed-down: '95/'96 Chorus being the only exception that springs to mind.

Having said that, if you value function over form, the chances are you're not still using 8 speed. :)

I forgot to mention the FD: it's 2nd generation Chorus (RS), which I believe to be ex-Croce D'Aune (with a change of braze-on clamp nut). It's distinguished from the same FD issued to lower groups, by having a chamfer at the end of the arm (presumably to save a gramme or two): if you look down on it (as if you were on the bike) and check the arm where the cable clamp bolt is, you'll see one side is at an angle as if it's been filed off.

@Halbert knows his way around 8 speed Campag: it'll be interesting (and maybe embarrassing for me) to see what his opinion is...

I've done some research in the catologues, and I'm pretty sure I have the parts correct now.

The rear mech isn't centaur. The MTB groupset mech had a little tab sticking out at nearby the lower pulley. I'm pretty sure it's a 1992 Chorus mech, with an older cable adjuster. Also the back of the mech is looking newer then 1991.

Thanks for noticing the chamfer. I didn't noticed that, so now I can defenitely say it's Chorus.

Also the headset is Chorus. It hasn't got the steel frame where the balls are kept in place with. But it's a more like plastic material.

I also checked the cranks for a code, but I only found the length of the cranks, and a tap size. I didn't knew this where Record cranks. I thought this shape crank only came in the C-Record group.

And you are right with the brake levers. They are from 1993. But they don't have a carbon Fibre body. They have a aluminium body. 1994 was the first year that they where using carbon fibre for the body.

And now I'm really unsatisfied with my thread title. It turns out nothing is coming from a C-record group!

Life got so much more simple from 1995...

I'll take your word for it on the RD: I got a little cross-eyed squinting at the catalogues! Having a replacement cable adjuster is more likely than it bring Centaur MTB, pretty rare.

Are you sure about the HS? Pretty sure only Record had the "perforations" around the cup. The plastic is part of the Selform system which Record also had.

The crank date code should be two digits in a square.

Sorry, typo when I wrote about the Ergo: 1994 were carbon bodied.

Hey-ho, every day's a school day and all that. :)

Yup, alot easier. But I do think the group looks better with no groupname on it. Says the guy with a Campagnolo Athena groupset from 1995 on his Gazelle.

I'm not 100% sure about the headset. It could also be Record. They both had perforations: http://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2/d/118961-2/1991+Campagnolo+Catalog.pdf
I only tought that record came with that steel thing, but apparantly they also come with a plastic one. As I can see in the older catologue before 1991.

The digits in the square say: A2. I don't know which date that must be.

I also noticed that Campagnolo always uses the groupname Record in their catalogues. Why not C-record? And wich periode is now really C-record? Are my cranks C-record or Record? And what about my headset, seatpost and shifters?

A2? Not seen that before, normally two numbers: just to keep things interesting, although they sometimes look like a plain year code (ie 93), they're not... and no-one seems 100% certain on what the second number refers to. :)

Yeah, Selform for both Record and Chorus. Other than that: I'm out.

I have always considered 1986 to 1994 to be the C-Record era, ie post-Super Record and pre-groupset named components. From memory, "Corsa Record" was used once or twice and stuck.

FWIW, I'd think you'd have better luck splitting. And probably start a new thread, now I've muddied the waters...

Pricedrop 500 pounds posted now!