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how tall are you?
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Also, weight weenie bike with a 2kg wheel set? Really?
Aren't you adding 500g to the Mavics? Even my winter hope to open pro wheels are 1650g
Ah yeah, I have got my figures a bit twisted - Ksyrium Equipe S are 1690g wheels-only, 2300g with tyres and tubes according to this lot.
Meh, even with the added weight of the Flo wheels, I'll still probably dip under 6.8 with the other bits. It's not weight-weenie really, I'm not sanding the decals off my levers just yet.
Fitness > Fit > Aerodynamics > Weight
how tall are you?
173cm. My posture & body shape prefers a short frame, it seems. Scherrit said I could go 5mm shorter, in a perfect world. Unfortunately, very few manufacturers make frames that short. I'm on the verge of warranting a custom frame, although I'll have to wait a few years for Parlee to do their aero frame short and tall enough...
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whats your ideal toptube length?
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Probs about 510 or 505, although I can't be sure...
Short wheelbases make for good fun though! It turns on a sixpence.
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I'll have to wait a few years for Parlee to do their aero frame short and tall enough...
The aero ESX frame is not custom. It's like the Z5, and made in Asia in stock sizes. It is only the upper end Z-series that's available custom geometry.
On the stem front why not use a Kalloy Uno 7 .. cheap and weighs less then both the ones you've listed for consideration. Edit link added http://www.lfgss.com/post4066616-71.html
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^ wishful thinking mainly. By the time I've saved up enough for a Parlee we'll be on mentally-actuated magnet-shifting...
Ah! Great shout. I picked those two because they come out decent on stiffness to weight, have you seen any info on the Kalloy stems? Personally I would love an Extralite stem, mostly for the concealed bolts, but apparently they're wet spaghetti in terms of stiffness...
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Stiffness to weight the Extralite is a winner .. because it's so light! Seriously, if you're not aware Fairwheel bikes tested some stem recently which may be of some help? http://fairwheelbikes.com/c/forums/topic/2014-stem-review-3/
On the Kalloy I've not seen any numbers. But there is a large thread on Weight Weenies to have a look at with people recording weights etc. I'm obviously using one .. but I can't really give an opinion on its stiffness as I'm not the powerful a build
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Ksyriums are heavy and about as aero as a brick wall. I've signed up to the next pre-order for a set of Flo 60's
Basically sound thinking, but I'd probably go for the 30s for all round use, If you only have one wheelset you'll probably get more benefit from the better cross wind handling of 30s than you'll get from the minor aero benefit of the 60s
Due to the vagaries of bike fit, my saddle is either at the far end of a layback (as it is now), or rammed to the front of an inline (as it is on my track bike). To get the saddle clamped fairly centrally, I need to find a lightweight post with a small amount of layback, maybe 10mm.
The way your weight sits on a saddle, clamping the front of the rails with an inline post is perfectly fine, you certainly don't need to go on a mission to find a mid-layback post. Clamping the back end of the rails with a layback is much worse, so you should definitely bin the current post, you may even find that putting the current saddle on an inline post gets rid of most of the creaking.
I intend to get a low-stack headset cover too
That I can definitely help with
https://www.lfgss.com/thread85022.html
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Personally I would love an Extralite stem, mostly for the concealed bolts, but apparently they're a terrible design which makes grown engineers cry
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Also, you could consider the Bontrager Race VR-S handlebars, they have 70mm reach which I think is the shortest you can buy
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Re height vs top tube length, agree on bike manufacturers and frame sizes. I'm hunting down older aluframes with the magical 505 - 515 top tube without stupid seat angles. So far giant tcr and kona kapu have been good but also after a 90s cannondale as they have great geometry and small sizes. Nice bike by the way
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I did read it all but couldn't really understand what you are trying to do. If I was you I'd go custom steel and do a WW build; it won't be as light as carbon but it will fit well which stands by: Fitness > Fit > Aerodynamics > Weight
and it won't look rank. 90mm stem; saddle position and that amount of spacers mean you are practically a MAMIL
also I am 170.5cm myself and I know your pain and scared of scheritt outcome of my fit :p
on top of my head I can only remember 3 current pros at similar height (quintana, Rodriguez and paolini) conincidently they all ride Canyon of similar sizes I think. Have you considered that?
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Stiffness to weight the Extralite is a winner .. because it's so light! Seriously, if you're not aware Fairwheel bikes tested some stem recently which may be of some help? http://fairwheelbikes.com/c/forums/topic/2014-stem-review-3/
On the Kalloy I've not seen any numbers. But there is a large thread on Weight Weenies to have a look at with people recording weights etc. I'm obviously using one .. but I can't really give an opinion on its stiffness as I'm not the powerful a build
I did read that, it's exactly where I got my choices of Tune and 3T from. While the Stiffness to Weight on the Extralite is great, they also said it had one of the highest deflection scores. Admittedly, I'm only 63kg so snapping bars isn't exactly my problem, but being that floppy in testing doesn't exactly inspire confidence...
Those Kalloy's look decent, especially with some Ti bolts and a bit of acetone such as you've done! I'll pick one of those up, cheers!
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Basically sound thinking, but I'd probably go for the 30s for all round use, If you only have one wheelset you'll probably get more benefit from the better cross wind handling of 30s than you'll get from the minor aero benefit of the 60s
The way your weight sits on a saddle, clamping the front of the rails with an inline post is perfectly fine, you certainly don't need to go on a mission to find a mid-layback post. Clamping the back end of the rails with a layback is much worse, so you should definitely bin the current post, you may even find that putting the current saddle on an inline post gets rid of most of the creaking.
That I can definitely help with
http://www.lfgss.com/thread85022.html
My thinking was effectively to have an aerodynamic wheelset for racing as fast as possible, and then downgrade them to winter wheels as soon as I have the money for some performance full carbon. While I get the argument for 30's, would there be any other rims of that ~30mm depth to take in to consideration? I guess one of the benefits of getting 30's would be that I could buy them rim only, at about $250 for the set then build them up here. I haven't really thought about hubs...
I wouldn't rule out an inline, especially an Enve. Does anyone have a modern SLR? Do the rails come a little further forward? Unfortunately the saddle creaks because it's fucked, rather than because it's incorrectly clamped.
I'll measure up my headset this afternoon and get back to you, your top-caps were exactly what I was considering. However, under the conical spacer is a v v slim dust cover. Could I just whack spacers directly on to that, or does the lowest spacer need to be in contact with the frame?
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Cosmic elites are relatively light, quick and cheap... Look decent too. You committed to carbon?
Tester will probably disagree on some technical evidence or some wind tunnel results... but I found them to be really nice wheels to ride.
Not particularly committed to carbon, but I think I could either go lighter or more aero. The Cosmic's don't really seem to excel in any particular area, tbh.
I've also completely sworn of traditional 19mm rims. Go wide or go home.
Also, you could consider the Bontrager Race VR-S handlebars, they have 70mm reach which I think is the shortest you can buy
Contact points are fine, actually. I don't really need to bring them in any more unless I desperately wanted to put on a longer stem; six of one, half a dozen of t'other.
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Ffor the paint, i'd go to James at noquarter, get him to do the powdercoat if you want to know it's done properly or if you want to risk it a bit, armourtex, get that done matt black. Then get the decals made up in oil slick chrome, get pretty much all of the decals made that are on their currently; as they're not going to be seen if you get the downtube ones and the CS ones say.
As far as parts go, i personally think the spidering for the cranks looks pretty good and if you are really wanting to go ww, they're the best option it would seem.
For the finishing kit, Pro do 15mm layback posts and they do good stuff for the rest of their range, full Pro finishing kit?
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I did read it all but couldn't really understand what you are trying to do. If I was you I'd go custom steel and do a WW build; it won't be as light as carbon but it will fit well which stands by: Fitness > Fit > Aerodynamics > Weight
and it won't look rank. 90mm stem; saddle position and that amount of spacers mean you are practically a MAMIL
also I am 170.5cm myself and I know your pain and scared of scheritt outcome of my fit :p
on top of my head I can only remember 3 current pros at similar height (quintana, Rodriguez and paolini) conincidently they all ride Canyon of similar sizes I think. Have you considered that?
The easiest way to boil down what I'm doing: The contact points are perfect, lets aim for performance advantages. I'm not going to sacrifice performance just so I can pander to the fashion for stem slams.
I know the bike is rank as is, but hopefully a repaint and some different components and it'll look a little better, however, even if it looks like a MAMIL's bike, I would hope that I don't look like a MAMIL, and I'm certainly a little bit faster than MAMIL pace...
Interesting point to the Canyon. Unfortunately even the XS Aeroad frame has a 528mm top tube. However, Quintana's old Pinarello was a 44cm, with a 508mm top tube, so that would work for me. Unfortunately, smaller frames mean shorter headtubes and I'm just going to end up with more and more spacers. I think this Cannondale is a decent intermediary fit until I can afford a custom Parlee.
You'll love getting fitted by Scherrit, trust. Even if you've got to sell everything and embrace the spacer, the improvement in ride quality will overrule it all.
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After buying a Cannondale, hurting my back, selling it, buying another one, blowing my knee up, then doing a lot of physio and seeing Scherrit a few times, I've finally got a performance frame which is as close to fitting as I'm going to get.
I've put quite a lot of miles on it, and I'm super happy with the comfort, fit and feel of the bike. There are myriad other things, however, that I'm not happy with. I thought I'd start an extremely sluggish CP thread to mark what I'm thinking of doing to the bike in the next few months.
This is it, as it stands:
Cannondale SuperSix EVO frame + forks, 48cm
Mavic Ksyrium Equipe S Wheels / Tyes et al
SRAM Red 22 groupset, bar cassette, crank and chainrings
Cannondale SI Hollowgram crank, FSA 53/39 rings, Speedplays
KCNC seatpost and Selle Italia SLR
Cannondale branded 90mm stem and 42mm bars.
I weighed it today, via the traditional bathroom scales differential system, and with cages, pedals, Garmin mount et al it comes to bang on 7kg. Now, I haven't even trimmed the steerer from stock, so if I intend to get weight-weenie about it (and I do) then this is a pretty good base weight.
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Now, my aim for this was a fast race bike on which to train, do medium distances at high pace and eventually get in to racing. I feel like I'm reaching a pretty good base fitness at the moment, so I think I've earned some upgrades. This is the plan:
First things first, that fucking grim paintjob.
My last Supersix was actually a pretty nice colour straight out of the box. This, however, is not. My plan at the moment, is to send the thing to Armourtex for a matte black base, and have some custom decals cut. I'll probably keep the upwards facing downtube decal, and the two headtube->forkleg decals. The rest can go.
Initially I was leaning towards hot pink, but I didn't want to rip off Jammy's Tonic. Now I'm driving for either oil-slick chrome, chromaflare or decals cut out of an image like this. I can't quite decide whether this will be absolutely horrible or kind of interesting. If anyone has any better ideas, I'd be more than willing to hear them.
Bits:
My main concern for the moment is the wheels - Ksyriums are heavy and about as aero as a brick wall. I've signed up to the next pre-order for a set of Flo 60's, which tick many of the boxes for a decent set of aero rims: affordable (about $800, plus $80 shipping and tax), aero (torroidal), wide (24.4mm), few spokes (20/24) and alloy brake tracks (I still like slowing down). The only downside is weight, which is about 1900-2000g apparently.
Obviously I'd like some Firecrest 404s, but for the 500g weight saving over the Flo's, I think I'll save the ~£1.5k. My other temptation is to build some Farsport carbon clinchies to some decent lightweight hubs, but I'm not totally certainly they'll come out much cheaper than the Flo's, although they might be a bit lighter.
I'd probably stick some 23c front / 25c rear GP4000S II's on 'em, at SmallFurry's recommendation, and some supersonic tubes.
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Due to the vagaries of bike fit, my saddle is either at the far end of a layback (as it is now), or rammed to the front of an inline (as it is on my track bike). To get the saddle clamped fairly centrally, I need to find a lightweight post with a small amount of layback, maybe 10mm. I also need a new saddle, as this one creaks horribly. I was thinking about an SLR Superflow.
I was also going to pop on a 3T stealth stem, or a 95mm Tune if money allows. I'm fine with the bars and tape, although if I find some Deda Zero100's for cheap then I'll pop them on. I intend to get a low-stack headset cover too, although my stem will only slip an additional 5mm down the steerer at the end of the month, I just don't like conical spacers.
I'd also some some new chainrings, as I don't find these FSA ones very appealing. I was considering Q-rings, but I don't want to risk it with my recurring knee problems. I've recently seen these KCNC ones, which look pretty sweet. I wouldn't say no to a Spiderring to match the cranks, or failing that, some Rotor No-Q's or Praxis chainrings.
And that, barring some better quality cabling, will just about do it.