Fitting modern group on vinatge/old frames

I want to fit a full SRAM RED 10sspeed group on a vintage 1980's Masi pretige with ITA thread. Will this bb http://www.evanscycles.com/products/sram/gxp-team-bottom-bracket-cups-ec024213 fit my frame with a RED compact crank? Im not a bike expert so forgive me if this is a newbie question

yes, it's propably a newbie question.
and yes that bb will work. make sure you shop for a gxp crankset as opposed to bb30.

So that link is fine?

Newb questions are good. They help the rest of us learn stuff too.

is the OLD 130mm though?

is the OLD 130mm though?

It's 130 on the rear, otherwise was gonna get LBS to coldset it.

So that link is fine?

if you buy the italian one yep its fine. As drøn mentioned make sure the crank is the gxp version and not the bb30 version. Only other thing I can think you might need is some downtube cable stops (if you don't have any).

http://www.wiggle.co.uk/shimano-sti-pair-of-cable-stops/?lang=en&curr=GBP&dest=1&utm_source=pla&utm_medium=base&utm_campaign=uk&kpid=5360149272

if you buy the italian one yep its fine. As drøn mentioned make sure the crank is the gxp version and not the bb30 version. Only other thing I can think you might need is some downtube cable stops (if you don't have any).

AH!! its a SRAM Exogram bb30 chainset. That mean im buggered??

yes.
bb30 needs another shell standard.
try to find someone who will swap with you.

Hmm, maybe should have stuck with original idea of putting a 11s athena group on it and maybe save the red stuff for a carbon frame. Thanks for all the advice guys.

I guess theres no other hacki way either?

Nope; you will find someone to swap with on one of the forums here/bikeradar/weightweenies

SRAM on vintage '80s steel is class. Sort out the BB issue and you'll love it! ;-)

Nope; you will find someone to swap with on one of the forums here/bikeradar/weightweenies

Best try is weight weenies because the Red Exogram BB30 crank is very light once stripped of it's standard rings and so sort after as a budget WW crank

have put it up on there now, thanks guys. I havent used it for a while but i am a member on that forum. Seems to have a high US and Ozzie user base, but hopefully i can deal with a UK poster. Cheers everyone

I want to fit a full SRAM RED 10sspeed group on a vintage 1980's Masi pretige with ITA thread. Will this bb http://www.evanscycles.com/products/sram/gxp-team-bottom-bracket-cups-ec024213 fit my frame with a RED compact crank? Im not a bike expert so forgive me if this is a newbie question

Why ruin the Feng Shui of a Masi? I'd keep it to its design genre. If you want to install Zeitgeist Chinese parts on a bicycle then do so on a Zeitgeist Chinese carbon frame..
The Masi prestige is a very 1970s frame. Its sought after as a 1970s frame. Standard would be Campa with Cinelli or TTT bars... perhaps some Modolo bits.. There were a lot of rather ecclectric parts around into the 1980s... Going outside of Italy... Zeus, CLB and a large number of lesser known parts could have graced a Masi.. Modern parts that could just as well been 1980s are been CNC'd by the likes of Paul, Phil Wood, White Industries, Ted Ciamillo (Gravitas/Zero Gravity) in the US..Royce etc etc etc in the UK and ......

is the OLD 130mm though?

It's 130 on the rear, otherwise was gonna get LBS to coldset it.
It's not necessary to cold-set: it's only 2mm either side and steel has plenty of "spring" for that; it does make life a little easier when getting the wheel in and out though.

There is one thing to be careful of though and that's having enough clearance between the top sprocket and the chainstay, particularly with 10 and 11 speed cassettes.

Why ruin the Feng Shui of a Masi?...

I'm guessing the OP values rideability over Feng Shui.

Why ruin the Feng Shui of a Masi? I'd keep it to its design genre. If you want to install Zeitgeist Chinese parts on a bicycle then do so on a Zeitgeist Chinese carbon frame..
The Masi prestige is a very 1970s frame. Its sought after as a 1970s frame. Standard would be Campa with Cinelli or TTT bars... perhaps some Modolo bits.. There were a lot of rather ecclectric parts around into the 1980s... Going outside of Italy... Zeus, CLB and a large number of lesser known parts could have graced a Masi.. Modern parts that could just as well been 1980s are been CNC'd by the likes of Paul, Phil Wood, White Industries, Ted Ciamillo (Gravitas/Zero Gravity) in the US..Royce etc etc etc in the UK and ......

You are totally correct, what i am doing is going against even my natural instincts. I have a very nice c record/titanium mix which was going to go on it...and it still might in the future. The point is....why not?

What i want to be able to do on my sunday rides, is show the carbon canondale brigade, as i fly past them, that apart from the lungs of the rider, and no matter how old or new your group is, "Look mum, no carbon!" (strictly speaking, there's plenty on the group).

Plus, i got the group cheap and would rather put it on a steel steed that i want to ride. Also considering using a modern stem and bar setup with quill to ahead adapter and new dura ace c50 wheels. Might as well go all the way.

What about putting this on? http://www.wigglestatic.com/images/cinelli-ram3-bar-2012-zoom.jpg

I'm guessing the OP values rideability over Feng Shui.

Old frames with old parts ride fine. Do modern parts ride better that what once graced the Masi? Frankly.. the biggest advancement has not been in drivetrain but in bicycle frame material. Old Columbus tubes such as the SL of that area were, like Reynolds 531, quite flexible. When I used to push one could literally see the bottom bracket sway--- so much so that when my wife first saw me riding she got scared thinking that the bicycle was going to tear apart under me. Then came oversized tubes. These materials I feel have contributed more than anything else to the equalization of the field towards larger cyclists.

What i want to be able to do on my sunday rides, is show the carbon canondale brigade, as i fly past them, that apart from the lungs of the rider, and no matter how old or new your group is, "Look mum, no carbon!" (strictly speaking, there's plenty on the group).

You don't need SRAM Red to do that. You need legs. An 11 or 12 tooth sprocket is irrelevant.

You don't need SRAM Red to do that. You need legs. An 11 or 12 tooth sprocket is irrelevant.

You're right, I'm not arguing! But still no reason not to.

From my experience of updating my old steel frame by putting a modern group on it, the two main improvements I saw were (a) far superior braking performance and (b) smoother, crisp gear changing, not to mention the convenience of bar shifting and 20+ gears to play with.

Each to their own, and if someone feels that it's somehow only right to match frame and components of a certain era, or even country of origin (although you really start losing me there!), fair enough, but w.r.t. sticking a modern group on it and enjoying it, as boggy says, no reason not to.

From my experience of updating my old steel frame by putting a modern group on it, the two main improvements I saw were (a) far superior braking performance and

Not knowing what brakes your bicycle had nor its pads and rims... I'm quite suspicious of claims of "superior" as attributed to modern caliper design. What has vastly improved are the pads and the wear properties of the materials deployed. What has vastly improved are the cables connecting levers to calipers. SRAM Red calipers don't and can't offer superior performance. Their magic is in the SwissStop pads. The rest is about aesthetics, weight and ease of installation.
Why not use old calipers? The biggest problem these days in using old calipers is not in their single pivot but in the leverage of their controllers. That is also why one can't mix SRAM Red with Shimano BR-9000 calipers or Dura Ace STI 2 controllers with Campa Record calipers or etc... Old side pull brakes were generally designed with a hand lever leverage of roughly 4:1. Dual pivots, by contract, generally adopted a 5.6:1 lever. The advantage of the increased mechanical advantage was a feeling of ease against cable friction. While teflon liners were already pretty common cables from the 1990s were a far cry from the super cables we have today. Shimano's new 9000 has reduced the mechanical advantage in the lever and increased it in the calipers. This makes sense.

(b) smoother, crisp gear changing,

Gear changing worked fine and well with retrofriction. The big thing that indexed shifting has enabled is the possibility to increase the number of sprockets. Today's 11 speed rears deliver 11 and 12 teeth. If you can spin an 11 Masel Tov. I can't! And if you could I think that Masi would not do well. Unless its a tiny frame, bottom bracket deflection will be extremely counterproductive. If you are not using the 11 or 12.. you can also go with 9 speeds instead of 11 and use more standard 3/32 narrow chains.

not to mention the convenience of bar shifting and 20+ gears to play with.

So the single speeders must be totally bonkers! Do you need 20+ gears? The peleton rolls along on 11-speeds because that is what they get. Nobody really cares. The issue of neutral support is more important.

You're right, I'm not arguing! But still no reason not to.

How 'bout injecting some money into the economy and getting a new frame. New frame with the new bits..?

^^ This.