Adding cable stops and dt shifter mounts to frame

Hi

So I've got the opportunity to buy a really lovely steel frame at a good price and its exactly my size. Unfortunately the frame has no rear mech hanger, or cable stop braze on of any kind. It may have had them cut off to run fixed as it was repainted but this was before the current owner had it.

I don't want to run it fixed or single speed as I have a chorus groupset I've been waiting to put on a frame . Does anyone have any experience of getting cable stops and downtube shifter bosses brazed or attached to a frame ? As the paint job is very good id like to avoid brazing if I can to save the paint. Can you have these added like a bottle cage mount I.e drilling and tapping a thread then screwing to the frame ?

I can use clips for the rear brake cable on the top tube and a claw hanger for the rear mech but it's really the cable stop by the rear dropout and on the downtube I need ( ill be using ergo levers) I guess I could use a band from a band on downtube shifter to mount the cable guides but I'd prefer it to look a bit cleaner

Any advice / experience / warnings welcome!

Cheers

Basically you have a choice of clip-on cable stops or you bite the bullet and have them brazed on.

My first road bike (c. 1972) came with no braze-ons at all. Everything was clipped on.

Actually, there is another way but you won't like it. Some really cheap bikes from the 70's used to have their gear cables run entirely in outer housing all the way from the lever to the derailleur, thus removing the need for cable stops. The outer attached to the frame by cheap plastic clips. Looks hideous, works terrible. Ok for hub gears, though.

cheers yoav, i think id have to go for braze on! Argos can do it very cheap but it will burn off the paint so more expense on top if i want it resprayed. Despite being a lovely frame I might hold out for something more suitable .

Can you get a clip on for the cable stop on the drive side chainstay ? ie near the rear mech?

You probably can, and don't forget a cable guide under the bottom bracket too?

How old is this frame? The lack of a rear mech hanger suggests its quite an old frame, which means that the rear dropout spacing is likely to be 126 or even 120mm. Modern 8 speed and above are 130mm. Another thing to think about.

Maybe this frame is better suited to single speed or fixed. That may have been its original use.

It's a strange one it is 130mm spacing and the owner says the date stamp on the bb appears to be december 1984 . I think either it's had the braze ons ground off for use as a fixe or its a very old frame that has been spread to 130 for new wheels. Hard to tell due to the repaint.

Here's a pic see what you think. I don't know whether to put up with cable clamps ( its a roberts so im sure its a great quality ride )or hold out for something more suitable . Braze ons and a repaint will take me over budget

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It does look like a nice frame. If it is a Roberts then maybe it's worth asking them if they have it on their records and if so, what spec it was built to.

I find it odd that someone would have all the braze-removed but not have the dropouts changed to rear facing if converting to fixie.

I know it is confusing . Ill try Roberts but apparently the respray is making the number on the bb shell hard to read . It looks like 1284. Ill try calling them to see if they can help

Here's some closer pics of the dropouts . Hard to tell but They look forged, I think I can see the hole in the bak for the adjuster bolt. Do you get dropouts like this without a mech hanger?

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Might have been built for a hub gear?

Possibly, I think without a serial it will remain a mystery