2012-05-14 - Rider Down/Fatality, M55, Lancashire

I promised I Used The Fucking Search before starting this thread.
Anyway, I thought you lot might have already discussed this by now. Then I remembered that the story comes from the Daily Mail, and what with having lived in London and gone to Art School and everything, I shouldn't be going anywhere near something published by such scumbags, let alone posting a link to it on LFGSS.

Anyway, some bloke called Frank Wrathall was chatting to his bird on the phone, when he killed a cyclist with his van.

Lied and tried to blame the cyclist too, until he learned about the cctv footage.

He will probably get away with this, after all he needs his driving licence to do his job....

This guy is a cunt. He has to tow his own racing car with a van that he is driving, so obviously is not a brilliant racing driver.

And why call him a 'champion car racer' - he is a killer....

Cunt.

He will probably get away with this, after all he needs his driving licence to do his job....

This guy is a cunt. He has to tow his own racing car with a van that he is driving, so obviously is not a brilliant racing driver.

And why call him a 'champion car racer' - he is a killer....

Cunt.

Yes he is a champion racing driver and yes he has killed someone. Just hope you never have an accident where someone loses their life, then people will be calling you a c. The media were using the slant "racing driver" kills cyclist implying speed was involved. They wouldn't have put "shopkeeper kills cyclist".
Sensationalist crap.
Yes he has taken a life through stupidity and he will rightly probably go to jail because of his action.
Several weeks ago I came round a blind bend to find a cyclist 2 foot off the white line in the "middle" of the road. He didn't hear me coming as he had earphones in. I managed to avoid him but if I had hit him and killed him would I be a c ?

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Several weeks ago I came round a blind bend to find a cyclist 2 foot off the white line in the "middle" of the road.

If you are going round a blind bend at a speed where you are having to 'avoid' someone, you are driving too fast for the road. Simples

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If you are going round a blind bend at a speed where you are having to 'avoid' someone, you are driving too fast for the road. Simples

So are you imlying the cyclist should take no responsibility for putting himself in a position where a c*** could come round the corner and collide with him ??

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Can you please take your trolling somewhere else - There are plenty of appropriate threads on the forum to express your views.

Hands- free kits cost, what, £89, £90? Wrathall chose not to spend this money, and chose to drive a van and trailer while his driving was impaired the same as if he were drunk. He killed someone as he was having a chat with his girlfriend, then tried to blame the man he killed for his own death. Who knows whether he would have been charged if there hadn't been cctv footage found by the cops. I'm happy to describe Mr Wrathall as a terrible, indecent human being.

Yes he is a champion racing driver and yes he has killed someone. Just hope you never have an accident where someone loses their life, then people will be calling you a c. The media were using the slant "racing driver" kills cyclist implying speed was involved. They wouldn't have put "shopkeeper kills cyclist".
Sensationalist crap.
Yes he has taken a life through stupidity and he will rightly probably go to jail because of his action.
Several weeks ago I came round a blind bend to find a cyclist 2 foot off the white line in the "middle" of the road. He didn't hear me coming as he had earphones in. I managed to avoid him but if I had hit him and killed him would I be a c ?

Yes you would. Why should he hear you coming? What if he had no headphones but was deaf? You should be driving at a speed that allows you to stop given that it's a 'blind corner'. Cyclist or another car or pedestrian or horse, they are allowed to be there.

Accidents are one thing, accidents when you're being a dangerous cretin are another. This is why he's a cunt...

"CCTV evidence shows Wrathall overtaking Fingleton, cutting across his path and causing the collision while holding a mobile phone. Wrathall's plead is not guilty."

So are you imlying the cyclist should take no responsibility for putting himself in a position where a c*** could come round the corner and collide with him ??

The cyclist is in that position to help cretins like you see them and to stop cretins like you running them down. Have you considered driver training?

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Seeing as I have not posted to start an argument and been specifically on-topic I wouldn't describe myself as a troll.. I merely came across this topic on an internet search on the accident as was taken aback by the foul language. Saying that it appears there is an emotional reponse so maybe you may describe me as one. If you want to label me as a troll then that is your prerogative.

God forbid someone may have views that differ from others.

rider haggard, this could have happened to any of us. Mr Wrathall wasn't, presumably, discussing a Middle East peace process or a new way of curing canver, he was chatting to his model girlfriend and killed someone, then tried to blame them. Since then he's been on Twitter boasting about his holidays. Forgive me if I don't think the most shocking aspect of this case is someone calling him a cunt.

Haggard

Please go here to continue your discussion

https://www.lfgss.com/thread109568.html#post3691449

Yes you would. Why should he hear you coming? What if he had no headphones but was deaf? You should be driving at a speed that allows you to stop given that it's a 'blind corner'. Cyclist or another car or pedestrian or horse, they are allowed to be there.

Accidents are one thing, accidents when you're being a dangerous cretin are another. This is why he's a cunt...

"CCTV evidence shows Wrathall overtaking Fingleton, cutting across his path and causing the collision while holding a mobile phone. Wrathall's plead is not guilty."

That is the oldest one in the book (actually always quoted by Police but even they don't follow their own advice as it is not a feasible way of getting around). Are you saying that when you are driving your car and approach a blind bend you slow down to walking pace just in case there is a parked car, cow, horse, group of people etc just round the corner ? In real life it just does not happen and I doubt very much 99% of the population do the same.

Wrathall's plead is "not guilty" to the charge of death by dangerous driving as his solicitor will have advised him to do so.

No I don't condone his action as said previously and am not trying to defend him.

I don't touch my phone in the car and don't wear headphones on my bike as I believe it reduces your awareness. I don't even believe bluetooth communication should be allowed on/in a vehicle.

Please take this debate to the thread dedicated to you.

Haggard

Please go here to continue your discussion

http://www.lfgss.com/thread109568.html#post3691449

Thank you for making a start.

Talking on mobile,
almost halfway to being totally distracted:

http://www.economist.com/news/science-and-technology/21579795-hands-free-texting-more-distracting-drivers-using-mobile-phone-keep

A note to all

This thread is dangerously close to contravening the rules of the Rider Down subforum.
Please keep this thread civil and on topic or your posts will be deleted.

I've just deleted a post which continued the above difference of opinion.

That is the oldest one in the book (actually always quoted by Police but even they don't follow their own advice as it is not a feasible way of getting around). Are you saying that when you are driving your car and approach a blind bend you slow down to walking pace just in case there is a parked car, cow, horse, group of people etc just round the corner ? In real life it just does not happen and I doubt very much 99% of the population do the same.
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The Highway Code is very clear on the matter of stopping:

Drive at a speed that will allow you to stop well within the distance you can see to be clear.

This means slowing down for blind corners....

Makes sense...