Ciocc 1978 San Cristobal

A local bike friend recommended this forum and thanks to a member here I am now the proud owner of a 1978 Ciocc San Cristobal, pre-take over of Ciocc.

Thanks to the member here for offering the frame :)

I e-mailed Mr Pelizolli on http://www.pelizzoliworld.com/ and they confirmed it's a nice frame, and above average with the chromed details. They couldn't remember any info from the frame nr, so who bought it/rode it first etc. is lost in the mists of time.

The rear spacing is 126...so that brings some technical decisions to make: Respace OR re-dish wheel to work with modern group/8 speed Chorus or go full Record/Nuovo Record and accept down tube shifters and high prices for parts.

Currently working out if using STIs on record front/rear derailleur is feasible. Cable pull might not be the same, so may have to be Chorus 8 speed front/rear on period (Nuovo) record parts, eg seatpost, cranks, bottom bracket etc.

This may take a while as it's my first build...and backwards compatibility issues are a puzzle for a novice like me, but it's a fun learning process which will end with a lovely vintage racer :)

Technical advice more than welcome! Have to buy all the parts too.

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nuovo parts can be had for similar prices to 8/10spd. Just don't BIN on ebay.
frame deserves 6spd Campag

or i'll tell Giovanni, he goes to my bingo

LOL :)

6 speed Canpag on 8 speed STI, does that work?
Cos I am happy with 12 gears, downtube shifters is the only thing where I go...err...

Down tube friction shifters are a delight to use. I miss having an push iron with friction shifters.

The joy is in the build.

Have fun, which ever way you decide to go with it.

Matt

keep it classic, nothing modern on this beautiful Ciocc. Dont see the point of having a 70"s frame with modern parts, it looks wank in my opinion..

Chorus 8 modern? A few may disagree... ;)

I'd literally only be STIs anyway, previous owner had it with Chorus 8 and said it looked OK.

Maybe I should try a downtube shifting bike...too young to ever had one...my dad sold his racer when I was like 8...I might like it!

Chorus 8 modern? A few may disagree... ;)

I'd literally only be STIs anyway, previous owner had it with Chorus 8 and said it looked OK.

Maybe I should try a downtube shifting bike...too young to ever had one...my dad sold his racer when I was like 8...I might like it!
you misunderstood my comment, i meant keep the components in the same era as the frame, ie late 70"s, as its such a beautiful frame keep it authentic, all period stuff. Its too good to mix & match!

Mine is not as nice a bike as this will be for sure, but I decided to use indexed downtube shifters. Some problems with that compared to what you're suggesting here, such as they are Shimano, and they are not period (I don't think) but they are a compromise I have enjoyed. Still got a trad looking machine, but indexed.

I got to say I didn't mind friction most of the time. You get used to it, and find it easy to grab the right amount to shift one gear at a time. But for me it falls down when I am coasting to a give way or something, and dropping a few gears ready for the take off. Always end up crunching the gears as I take off again.

I didn't want to go all the way to STi though as I don't like the look of the brifters on the bars. I think a pair of nice aero brake-only levers looks cleaner.

Hi Lilywhite all in jest :)

Were the older systems in 1978 STI I'd just go for them right away :)

The old brake levers do look super lovely :)
Saw a Nuovo Record Rear DR with yellow finish on NR area another jewelry part.

I've a possibly bad habit of staying(on flat of course) in 52/16 most of the time and just muscling through... :S

You'll soon get used to downtube shifters, they were good enough for Merckx... I know modern stuff is better and lighter, but your machine would look stunning with period kit, it doesn't have to be top end collectible retro-porn!

Hi Lilywhite all in jest :)

Were the older systems in 1978 STI I'd just go for them right away :)

The old brake levers do look super lovely :)
Saw a Nuovo Record Rear DR with yellow finish on NR area another jewelry part.

I've a possibly bad habit of staying(on flat of course) in 52/16 most of the time and just muscling through... :S
If you never had down tube shifters, i understand your apprehension. I had them in my youth, its a shame to fuck around with a classic, esp a 70"s Ciocc. ps regarding staying in 52/16 for me is a bad idea, you will have stiff legs, i prefer to spin in higher gears to keep my legs supple/flexable.

Just my opinion .. But that frame looks in good condition from the pics. You should restore it to period and get yourself something else to build up if you want to ride STI / modern components on an old steel frame.

Sure I don't need to tell you, as it appears you've looked into the history, the San Cristobal was the signature model ..

downtube friction shifters are ok, i grew up on them. but i dunno if i'd go back to them. having said that, if i had a nice 70s frame....

Well it seems the vote is clearly vintage part (around 1978). That will be my first L'Erioca legal bike. I made some contacts asking around to gather parts, and see what I can find :)

I might go for a modern saddle though ;)

My fixie (Charge Hob 2011) is 42/16...haven't been able to take it out this week due to slushy roads with surprise frost patches ;( The Thorn XTC tourer is a versatile tough beast and that's been my main ride equipped with Marathon Winters.

Well it seems the vote is clearly vintage part (around 1978). That will be my first L'Erioca legal bike. I made some contacts asking around to gather parts, and see what I can find :)

I might go for a modern saddle though ;)

My fixie (Charge Hob 2011) is 42/16...haven't been able to take it out this week due to slushy roads with surprise frost patches ;( The Thorn XTC tourer is a versatile tough beast and that's been my main ride equipped with Marathon Winters.
i ride a 70s Bike, & have a San Marco regal saddle, Tom Boonen belgian number 1 has one on his bike. They are quite expensive but, worth it! Dont spoil the look of you bike with a cheap/shit saddle. Cinelli do some beautiful suede ones, get a NOS.

Tx :)

Not going to go for one that doesn't look good anyway. But yeah let me add your suggestion to Hunt List.

I am not surprised most people don't bother with vintage builds as it's fun but totally uneconomic ;)

Tx :)

Not going to go for one that doesn't look good anyway. But yeah let me add your suggestion to Hunt List.

I am not surprised most people don't bother with vintage builds as it's fun but totally uneconomic ;)

I disagree. If you take your time (you have another bike anyway, right?)
you could build a period bike for a reasonable price.

I got another...3. It's like the Bike Rules on how many bike: N+1 with N being bikes you already own :) This is the last however, no garage! It will get prime spot on the wall in the landing upstairs, one is in porch, one is behind kitchen table and the beater is outside (hub gears/chain guard) so it can get wet.

But to compare: This wholly built (including frame) well...it I can get it done for £450 I've done well. A chorus 8 groupset is £150 but once you go back in time, well £350 at least? On e-bay...so you need to hunt to find parts by part. Then you need to get a saddle, rims, spokes etc...

For £500 you can get a used Chris Boardman Crabon bike which is a gazillion times less fancy and also a gazillion times handier for a race.

See what I mean? For people that don't care about vintage, how the frame is built and just want light weight frame and modern parts this is a bit nuts. If you want period however it's better to hunt rather than buy a full bike on fleabay that way it's economic again :)

I got another...3. It's like the Bike Rules on how many bike: N+1 with N being bikes you already own :) This is the last however, no garage! It will get prime spot on the wall in the landing upstairs, one is in porch, one is behind kitchen table and the beater is outside (hub gears/chain guard) so it can get wet.

But to compare: This wholly built (including frame) well...it I can get it done for £450 I've done well. A chorus 8 groupset is £150 but once you go back in time, well £350 at least? On e-bay...so you need to hunt to find parts by part. Then you need to get a saddle, rims, spokes etc...

For £500 you can get a used Chris Boardman Crabon bike which is a gazillion times less fancy and also a gazillion times handier for a race.

See what I mean? For people that don't care about vintage, how the frame is built and just want light weight frame and modern parts this is a bit nuts. If you want period however it's better to hunt rather than buy a full bike on fleabay that way it's economic again :)
Put modern kit on it, if thats what you want, you are the one riding it! But a Ciocc from the 70"s is a bit special in my opinion. Not your average ride. Another trick is buy a full bike you don"t fancy on fleabay, but that has top quality components, ive seen full bikes go for £200 or less. Its a matter of keep looking for good deals! Patience is the key.

Going vintage and just going to learn to live with friction shifting :)

I had a look on Fleabay, no joy yet with vintage components on a whole bike. More modern Campagnolo easier to get, eg a vintage Ribble etc. If you spot something feel free to post :) Am in UK.

But...there's 1974 Nuovo Record parts on fleabay that may finish for a reasonable price...

Nuovo OK or does it have to be Super I wonder? As I read up, apparently both are fine the Super just made some small changes to save weight. (Fluting...drilling...)

Super gets you ++++look points of course...

nuovo is generally cheaper
just get what you can but with a silver frame
the silver nuovo stuff will work well.

make a wamted ad on here

Going vintage and just going to learn to live with friction shifting :)

I had a look on Fleabay, no joy yet with vintage components on a whole bike. More modern Campagnolo easier to get, eg a vintage Ribble etc. If you spot something feel free to post :) Am in UK.

But...there's 1974 Nuovo Record parts on fleabay that may finish for a reasonable price...

Nuovo OK or does it have to be Super I wonder? As I read up, apparently both are fine the Super just made some small changes to save weight. (Fluting...drilling...)
Super gets you ++++look points of course...

               unless you want, full Campag, think about Gipiemme components & Modolo brakes etc. Its not that Campag isnt great, sometimes people are blind to other manufacturers. ITM made some lovely seatposts in the 70"s. Its about age/period rather than just Campag for me!

Remember with campag 1978 was a year of change
brakes became recessed fit, front derailleurs were given a lip on the cage and bb's and chainsets were changed to accomodate that.
buy CPSC or Post CPSC versions of all parts

or conversely if your frame takes non recessed calipers (frame just sneaks into the end of pre CPSC era) you might want all pre CPSC
although full post CPSC can be used apart from callipers

but don't mix the two

Thanks for the tips, found an old catalogue with changeover and got a phone number from a Campagnolo/Vintage parts enthusiast that works for costs, not profits.

See if I can reach him.

Brake drilling hole seems to be recessed, eg newer type. So just after change-over in 1979 might be correct.

And have to make call on all Nuovo, or Super. Looks wise not much difference that year...bar flutes on the seatposts on Super. Mechanically both are sound too.

Well, lots of things to learn but it's fun :)

And thanks for another lfgss member...we got wheels! Guy in England going through his parts box for bottom bracket/headset/brakes etc.

Going to have to be Nuovo Record, Super Record parts from that era outside my budget.

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