Cycle Superhighway Extension - East.

just posted on bbc website.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20931382

i know the CSH are not perfect but overall they are better than nothing / good news in my opinion.

add your support and constructive comments.

enjoy.

That's where that terrible meme came from then...

Those cuts around the bus stops look like a terrible idea.

why not just move the bus stops further in so cyclist (an other traffic) can overtake?

very very bad idea, it encourage the idea that undertaking is acceptable too.

And there is even more opportunity for cyclist meet pedestrian nonsense as well. Let's face it, pedestrians already have plenty of reason to think that people on bike's don't give a fuck, riding through ped crossings when the man is green - that sort of thing, and this would make it worse.

Yep, peds aren't gonna be looking for bikes 'on the footpath' as it were (my face shows they don't even watch the fucking road). This is a shit idea.

The bus stop detour is a bit like how the Danish cycle paths work. I remember the peril of trying to get off a bus in Copenhagen right into the cycle path of aggressive Danish cyclists :P

it's tough enough just walking along the pavement when a bus spews its passengers out at a stop. the momentum of stepping down to pavement level tends to carry them all the way across the pavement until they just manage to stop short of smashing their faces into a shop window.

Half way through long post saying ^ this and ^^ this. Abandoned.

why not just move the bus stops further in so cyclist (an other traffic) can overtake?

this

This is a shit idea.

and this.

Fucking brainless.

The cycle path is segregated from the traffic with a barrier curb to the street. The path has to go around the back of the bus or the bus would have to jump the curb and drive into the cycle lane.

Id rather overtake a bus in the steady flow of traffic than bumping a crowd let off a bus but separation is good for the general populous. Denmark and holland knows this

To be honest I am also quite happy cycling with traffic but a lot of people have been calling for these Dutch/Danish style separated cycle lanes so it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

As a comparison, the cycle lane on Royal College Street, Camden does this (that is, goes inside the bus stop). But, it's only the 46 bus, which doesn't usually decant many people. Mostly works (although that cycle lane has real problems, particularly the cross streets)

The cycle path is segregated from the traffic with a barrier curb to the street. The path has to go around the back of the bus or the bus would have to jump the curb and drive into the cycle lane.

Then stop the barrier curb, with sensible signage to make it obvious. Let the bus cross the cycle path like they do everywhere else.

This is one reason why segregation is SHIT. A crap compromise is reached that will cost a fortune, be crap for cyclists and almost certainly cause more confrontation between peds / cyclists.

In these narrow segregated lanes, you can't avoid broken glass, dogshit etc.
They make drivers complacent and put cyclists out of their thoughts which just makes it worse when they come back together.
London streets are not big enough to separate out cyclists, cars, buses. We have to look at getting us all to co-exist.

Mandatory, segregated cycle lanes - GTFO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Then stop the barrier curb, with sensible signage to make it obvious. Let the bus cross the cycle path like they do everywhere else.

To be honest, that sounds a lot more dangerous to me. Cyclists who aren't looking for traffic in their own lane suddenly being directed out into the path of buses pulling in?

If you are going to have segregated lanes you have to go the whole way IMO. It's less dangerous to mix the bike and the pedestrians getting of the bus then to mix the bike and the bus itself.

Though like I said, I'm happy with the current shared road system myself.

The bus stop detour is a bit like how the Danish cycle paths work. I remember the peril of trying to get off a bus in Copenhagen right into the cycle path of aggressive Danish cyclists :P

It's exactly like that, even in Copenhagen it's still a shit design.

They have problem at the moment with crowded cycle lane - there's simply too many cyclists in Copenhagen to accompaniment the cycle lane.

IMO all these cycling path initiatives are not that good.

(they are segregation and i want integration. and for me integration and 20 mph is the safe best compromise. but this is not on offer at the moment).

so these cycles lanes is half way house on the way to 20 mph and integration.

so i am happy we are getting some provision. if nothing else the cycle lanes say it is ok to cycle in london. 20 years ago the prevailing situation was that it was not ok to cycle in london. and the overall offer for cyclists is a lot better than it was 15 / 20 years ago.

so we are making some progress.

Edscoble is right about the crowding issue, perversely while some people in london are trying to make us go dutch some people in Denmark are looking a some of the shared space ideas we've developed in London.

It's not only Pedestrian/Cyclists conflict such segregation could cause, but drivers get really pissed of when cyclists are not using the segregated lane and are in 'their way'

London drivers are getting more used to sharing roads it's a pity to begin to undo such good progress with silly facilities like this

both lcc and ctc seem to be going down the segregation path at the moment.

as stated i am an integrationist - he he.

so i am happy we are getting some provision. if nothing else the cycle lanes say it is ok to undertake vehicles

fixed.

both lcc and ctc seem to be going down the segregation path at the moment.

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I think the CTC position is more nuanced

yes i think you are right.

It's not only Pedestrian/Cyclists conflict such segregation could cause, but drivers get really pissed of when cyclists are not using the segregated lane and are in 'their way'

Agreed, but that's a problem with driver misunderstanding, not segregation per se. I don't think such lanes would be mandatory and drivers should understand as much (some hope!)

London drivers are getting more used to sharing roads it's a pity to begin to undo such good progress with silly facilities like this
I don't think this is undoing anything. Making a segregated path available on a busy, fast stretch of road so that people who aren't currently cycling feel more confident getting on their bikes seems pretty sensible to me.

Very few of the people accused of being "segregationist" actually want segregation everywhere, just where the road is fast and/or multilane and/or has loads of lorries. Realistically, we're never going to get segregated cycle paths everywhere within our lifetime anyway so drivers will have plenty of opportunity to get used to sharing the road (preferably at 20 mph).