Leopard Trek - Wouter Weylandt benefit tshirt

Not sure if this thread belongs in here or the Giro thread, but Leopard Trek announced on their twitter yesterday that StomachOfAnger are selling a benefit t shirt and all the money raised goes to the family and un born child that Wouter left behind.

http://stomachofanger.com/108.shtml

I'll be buying one on pay day.

With the current exchange rate it only works out at £20 with delivery.

There is no reason Mrs Weylandt and her child should be left in hardship; her husband had a well paid job, riding for a rich team, living in a rich country. He would have had insurance. I feel sorry for Mrs Weylandt and the unborn child but £20 could do a lot more good elsewhere.

Yeah, this whole thing is weird. It's very sad, but other people in the sport have died without this kind of orchestrated mourning happening.

Check your local newspaper for desperate tragedy occurring on a weekly basis, often hand in hand with undeserved poverty :/

You both appear to assume that someone who purchases this shirt will then deduct the value of it from other charitable donations made elsewhere?

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Actually it says "all profit" which is significantly different $12-$15...if donating to the family is more important to you than a material remembrance...I would suggest a direct donation of $20 here: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DVZEPVG5AK9WGG&h=d5e99

@ Object. No, but it is reasonable to assume that we all have a finite amount of money to give. And if we don't then I still think we should he hard headed and pragmatic about where it goes. It would be a long list before I got to Mrs Weylandt.

It would be a long list before I got to Mrs Weylandt.

Christ, you're counting your chickens, aren't you?

Give her a couple of weeks to get over it before you steam in, will you?

Will, agreed on the finite money front but surely someone purchasing a physical item for what amounts to 20 notes and provides some monetary support to a recently bereaved and her soon to be born child can't be a bad thing?

I would wager that most people don't give a set percentage of their wage to charity or provide ongoing support to a cause which they actually believe in. What most people who give to charity are likely to do is give to a cause which is in the news, or in their face at any given moment.

Would you refuse a donation to someone collecting for charity in the street on the same basis?

I would.

Get some perspective, you freak.

Bring, I ask purely out of interest in differences in human behaviour.

As an aside, I too would refuse charitable donations in the situation outlined at the end of my last post.

That's why I called you a freak. You haven't paid your annual subs, BTW.

Would you refuse a donation to someone collecting for charity in the street on the same basis?

I never give to people collecting in the street, no.
You are right that people give impulsively and as result of emotion and I don't want to do that.

You haven't paid your annual subs, BTW.
Annual? I'm a life-time member!

Will, if you wouldn't give money to someone asking in the street then surely it would stand to reason that you'd be unlikely to give money for something like this?

Conversely and without wanting to cause too much controversy, where would you stand on the selling of T-Shirts for something like the LCEF?

In the specific case of Wouter Weylandt, is it the method, the cause or both which you are objecting too?

UCI minimum life insurance requirement for teams to provide for riders is €100,000

i think it's down to personal opinion.

A lot of people feel strongly about this particular incident because they watched the poor bloke die on live TV. Sights like that tend to have quite a strong effect on people.

I'll buy a t-shirt (partly because I like the shirt) and I'll donate to a couple of other causes too, but like Will, I don't give to tin rattlers or door knockers.

You choose your own causes.

In the specific case of Wouter Weylandt, is it the method, the cause or both which you are objecting too?

I don't think Mrs Weylandt will need our financial support. I think there are more deserving causes. just as I did when there were appeals to help the Japanese earthquake survivors. Their government can, and should, provide for them.
I try to be as rational and pragmatic as I can be. But there is always someone worse off, some situation more unjust, some catastrophe more compelling.

A lot of people feel strongly about this particular incident because they watched the poor bloke die on live TV. Sights like that tend to have quite a strong effect on people.

That and because he died entertaining us. That's pretty bleak. And it puts an onus on us to do right by his family.

Just because Mrs. and junior Weylandt aren't the people in most dire need of help in the world, doesn't mean we shouldn't help them. It's not zero-sum.

You choose your own causes.

Couldn't agree more.

I don't think Mrs Weylandt will need our financial support. I think there are more deserving causes. just as I did when there were appeals to help the Japanese earthquake survivors. Their government can, and should, provide for them.
I try to be as rational and pragmatic as I can be. But there is always someone worse off, some situation more unjust, some catastrophe more compelling.

If it's the cause that you disagree with there's no further discussion to be had.
Do you accept that other people will feel differently to you?

I am not arrogant enough to believe that I could change your mind even if I wanted to try.
Will you afford the same courtesy and allow other people to make their own choices rather than argue a cause on a thread dedicated to someone's death?

Actually it says "all profit" which is significantly different $12-$15...if donating to the family is more important to you than a material remembrance...I would suggest a direct donation of $20 here: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.paypal.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebscr%3Fcmd%3D_s-xclick%26hosted_button_id%3DVZEPVG5AK9WGG&h=d5e99

I find the T shirt a bit bizarre. If you want to donate $20, donate via the link above.

You're essentialy donating less just so you can have a T-shirt that says "I've given some money to Mrs Weylandt"

She'll be ok.

Will you afford the same courtesy and allow other people to make their own choices rather than argue a cause on a thread dedicated to someone's death?

Give over; this is not a thread dedicated to his death, it is about t-shirts being sold to raise money for his widow. My opinion is not disrespectful to his memory in any way, shape or form. In what sense, by putting forward my view that they are not a very good idea, am I not allowing other people to make their choice?
I have a view on whether or not the t-shirts are worth supporting, I have expressed that view, other people can make their own minds up. I can't see how that is discourteous.