Herne Hill Plans Unveiled

so is the proposal for HH a style exercise/vanity project for an architect?

would be interested in the building costs between the proposed Herne Hill and this:

There's been some very impressive skidding going on there.

But yes, Hog Hill and HH are obviously very different. I think the new plans for HeHi look nice, much as I don't know anything much about building such facilities. I'm glad that they haven't gone for anything too bombastic and to see that the plan doesn't include building something on the off-road area. Other than that, the design shown of the grandstands is surely only indicative and will include a more practical seating layout.

The real question, of course, is whether the new design will clash with the colour of Clive's bike.

Nothing clashes with 806C*

*Hope to see more of this in 2011

the design shown of the grandstands is surely only indicative and will include a more practical seating layout.

why not include a "more practical seating layout" in the design then?

those steps either side are not seating BTW.

for those of you asking why i'm "being negative" towards the design it's because i want a positive outcome and a workable design that improves the site for cyclists and spectators.
I don't think the current design does this and would be poor way to spend £5million.
I do hope it gets improved on or another practice that has a grasp of what's required and can be bothered to think about the issues at the site gets a chance to tender.

Oliver - neg repped for calling it HeHi.

If I could I'd have you shot for that, but neg repping is the limit of my powers, which is probably for the best.

I want this:

why not include a "more practical seating layout" in the design then?

those steps either side are not seating BTW.

for those of you asking why i'm "being negative" towards the design it's because i want a positive outcome and a workable design that improves the site for cyclists and spectators.
I don't think the current design does this and would be poor way to spend £5million.
I do hope it gets improved on or another practice that has a grasp of what's required and can be bothered to think about the issues at the site gets a chance to tender.

People are more compliant when they're not defensive, you could list your thoughts as constructive criticism and add them to the list.

i started typing one but decided to leave that to the listmakers.
i shouldn't have to justify my objections when the are plain common sense like bike parking and disabled access. it's a cycling facility not a art gallery.
if that needs pointing out for a community cycling facility then it's obvious being polite about it doesn't work and the architects/planners aren't listening at the commissioning stage of the design.
look forward to seeing the revised plans when peoples comments are taken on board

I want it to look like this:

I don't like those half roof things

You're not a maverick loner.

Bloody am.

btw Mr Smyth. I wasn't meaning to have a go at you. Lot's of people respond in the way you have when they want something changed.

In my experience getting advice from a user group when designing any sort of building is very very difficult. Consult people too soon and you either get nothing or far too much conflicting information. Often it's best to respond directly to the brief and then consult the user groups for feedback for the next stage of the design. Early designs often change, sometimes quite drasticly. I really don't think it's fair to be too critical of Hopkins, yet. People *always *expect designers to read their minds.

It looks as though Hopkins are at the ideal stage to take on some good quality feedback from people who will use the facility. Of course I'm only speculating from the information publicly availiable.

Un -emotive lists are a good idea.

Bloody am.

So you don't like mornings. Doesn't make you a maverick.

here's one for the list.
rubber floor tiles in the changing/cafe areas. cyclist use shoes with cleats that are lethal on shiny floors.

So you don't like mornings. Doesn't make you a maverick.

Hah! I'm more maverick than James Garner and anyone else with a cowboy hat and a derringer.

here's one for the list.
rubber floor tiles in the changing/cafe areas. cyclist use shoes with cleats that are lethal on shiny floors.

TBH, most (all) velodromes have rules which say "take yer flipping shoes off when you are wandering about away from the track". Sensible safety concern really.

here's one for the list.
rubber floor tiles in the changing/cafe areas. cyclist use shoes with cleats that are lethal on shiny floors.

That is something I totally agree with.

You can get rubber sheet flooring now, it's quite trendy and apparently environmentally friendly.

TBH, most (all) velodromes have rules which say "take yer flipping shoes off when you are wandering about away from the track". Sensible safety concern really.

No one ever seems to follow that rule though. Even in manchester.

No one ever seems to follow that rule though. Even in manchester.

it's fine if you ride to the toilets though. Can't say I've ever seen anyone trying to get up the stairs with cleats on, though I suppose some idiots must do.

I don't like those half roof things

Nah, problems with going from shade to sun and the lag in your vision adjusting, especially if yer wearing shades. Plus rain rarely falls straight down

Generally speaking i like the design tho it will need to tweaking. There's lots of focus on lack of seating being a problem...how many spectators has anyone seen at hh recently, with Good friday gone indoors, HH isn't frequently going to attract hundreds of spectators. As long as there's a track to use i'm not massively bothered what surrounds it.

My version has the entire stadium on a plinth that can be rotated through 3 axes, so there will be no sun on the track at any given time. [/Celtic blood]

We need a Charette.

will they let geared bikes on the newly built HH velodrome,or will it still be exclusive to the fixed purists

Currently there is road bike training on Tuesday evenings in the summer. I'd assume they'd continue, assuming they are popular? (I've never been so have no idea of attendance).