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This is what I shall spend my winter doing.
Whats a good starting weight. Bearing in mind I have not been to a gym since 1994?Start with an empty bar, achive perfect technique and add weight till it starts to shows signs of fuckery.
Try to add weight each session and maintain full depth and solid technique.
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What gym you going to Mike?
It's probably a good idea to have a session with Lee and/or Dave so they can put your form right from the beginning, rather than get into bad habits and have to change.A LOT of the info online isn't what you need, the Americans have some slightly different ideas to us.
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They are rubbish, barely even parallel, more a '1/2 squat'
Empty bar is generally too light to get your technique good.
Mike start with 30-40kg until you have your technique dialled.
Once you have, I recon you with probably be starting on 50-60kg
Depth looks pretty good to me, I'd imagine he values his knees too much to go any lower!
Any idea what sort of weight he is?
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Pffft. He doesn't do the last one. He was meant to do nine. DTM. :)
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They are rubbish, barely even parallel, more a '1/2 squat'
Empty bar is generally too light to get your technique good.
Mike start with 30-40kg until you have your technique dialled.
Once you have, I recon you with probably be starting on 50-60kg
They are not rubbish. Thats how you squat when you are going heavy. Hitting your hamstrings on your calves would actually be a dangerous way to work with maximal weights and to some degree, cheating.
A parallel squat is when the crease of the hip is below the tip of the knee like this:
In power lifting competitions they often allow less.
If someone cannot squat an empty bar to full depth, then they suck at squatting. It shows that they lack the muscle control and proprioception. Even if someone is tight and inflexible, they should have the muscle control to be able to keep their backs tight and force themselves into a full squat.
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They are not rubbish. Thats how you squat when you are going heavy. Hitting your hamstrings on your calves would actually be a dangerous way to work with maximal weights and to some degree, cheating.
A parallel squat is when the crease of the hip is below the tip of the knee like this:
In power lifting competitions they often allow less.
There we go, couldn't be bothered to hunt the official definition, 1st post not so bad after all ;-)
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Nice to hear the most important phrase in a sprinters vocabulary translates so simply.
Listen to the coach at 3.06
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They are not rubbish. Thats how you squat when you are going heavy. Hitting your hamstrings on your calves would actually be a dangerous way to work with maximal weights and to some degree, cheating.
A parallel squat is when the crease of the hip is below the tip of the knee like this:
In power lifting competitions they often allow less.
If someone cannot squat an empty bar to full depth, then they suck at squatting. It shows that they lack the muscle control and proprioception. Even if someone is tight and inflexible, they should have the muscle control to be able to keep their backs tight and force themselves into a full squat.
I'm with the new guy on this one Guy, a 20kg bar is the max I would let anyone use until I was happy with their technique. In fact I often get newbies to use less, and just body weight or 5kg plate at first
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They are not rubbish. Thats how you squat when you are going heavy. Hitting your hamstrings on your calves would actually be a dangerous way to work with maximal weights and to some degree, cheating.
A parallel squat is when the crease of the hip is below the tip of the knee like this:
In power lifting competitions they often allow less.
If someone cannot squat an empty bar to full depth, then they suck at squatting. It shows that they lack the muscle control and proprioception. Even if someone is tight and inflexible, they should have the muscle control to be able to keep their backs tight and force themselves into a full squat.
I am intrigued to hear how a parrell or below squat is "cheating"? I do agree that those squats are not rubbish, I would offer though that he was probably just the wrong side of weight verses ego in this set, I have seen other videos where his form is better and he goes a little deeper.
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What gym you going to Mike?
It's probably a good idea to have a session with Lee and/or Dave so they can put your form right from the beginning, rather than get into bad habits and have to change.A LOT of the info online isn't what you need, the Americans have some slightly different ideas to us.
Sorry Rob, only just seen the responses on this thread.
Well I am swimming at this newly reopened centre in Soho.
The Marshall Street Baths and they have a gym there and it isn't much extra a month to join and there is no fee or monthly contract or any of that bollox so I thought I would give it a go. Mainly just to improve my upper body physique more than anything, like I said, to look harder :) , instead of or as well as swimming for the winter months until the real bike work kicks in. But obviously if I was there I would want to increase muscle mass on my legs. But having read all this I am not so sure now as it seems I could do more harm that good. My commute also takes me up a very steep hill on the way home everyday so maybe I could just do that. I'm so confused :$
I know if I work harder I can be even faster and fitter than last year, which is my aim. I really enjoy training in the winter when there is noting much to go home for other than shit TV, it's the summer months where you come home and have a bbq and a few beers that I find discipline hard to come by. Thats why I am gointg to start serious training again in November/December, but not all on the bike because I will probably be bored of that by April if I do. Which obviously wouldn't be a good thing -
Buy this book: 'Beyond Brawn'.
Read, digest, read again, work out a routine and progress with weight small increments - ignore the majority of other people in the gym...they don't know squat ;-) -
I am intrigued to hear how a parrell or below squat is "cheating"? I do agree that those squats are not rubbish, I would offer though that he was probably just the wrong side of weight verses ego in this set, I have seen other videos where his form is better and he goes a little deeper.
Because you can bounce out of the bottom. Of course going deep is good, but technique is important.
The image shows a low bar squat (as favoured by your beloved rippetoe) where it is harder to do this, as you should be maintaining a lot of hamstring tension all the way down. So using stretch relfex is a good thing if you maintain good technique/tightness.
For high bar or "olympic style" squats. You sort of avoid hamstring tension, squatting straight down, more vertical torso with knees travelling all the way forwards. It is easy to get more depth using this technique, and basically have your hamstrings so relaxed that you can bounce yourself out of the bottom my hitting your thighs on your calves. So you are gaining assistance out of the bottom using a technique that will not give you any strength benefits and at the same time be potentially harmful for your knees.
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Because you can bounce out of the bottom. Of course going deep is good, but technique is important.
The image shows a low bar squat (as favoured by your beloved rippetoe) where it is harder to do this, as you should be maintaining a lot of hamstring tension all the way down. So using stretch relfex is a good thing if you maintain good technique/tightness.
For high bar or "olympic style" squats. You sort of avoid hamstring tension, squatting straight down, more vertical torso with knees travelling all the way forwards. It is easy to get more depth using this technique, and basically have your hamstrings so relaxed that you can bounce yourself out of the bottom my hitting your thighs on your calves. So you are gaining assistance out of the bottom using a technique that will not give you any strength benefits and at the same time be potentially harmful for your knees.
Ha ha you are amusing, how many people have the leg development to bounce their thighs of their calfs?? Surely in your extensive two years of strength training/coaching you would have seen that the bouncing is down to stretch reflex effects and not actual bouncing off of an other part of the limb? Any style of squat can be performed badly, in my experience those who are chasing ego weight tend to do poorer squats with limited depth which ultimately have the potential for greater injury.
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I can do it, and I am not very flexible or chunky. You dont need massive thighs to do it, stick thin people can do it.
By just having the bar plus 5kg each side...
Doing it with 200+kg would be a different story.
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Listen to the coach at 3.06
hubba hubba
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By just having the bar plus 5kg each side...
Doing it with 200+kg would be a different story.
363kg
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I refer back to what babydinotrackboy said about how many people have the leg development to bounce off their calves.
That guy in the video above has obviously been training squats, probably low reps with progressive poundages for ages hence he can pop one out plus he propably weighs 120kg himself.
However, all said and done, watch him limp off afterwards, his knees will not appreciate that and jerking/bouncing is one sure way to injury.
Regarding the first video, the lad could have gone perhaps am inch lower and the weight was for his ego but sod it, he was doing his PB...when I've done PB's (modest compared to these blokes) before on different exercises before my form isn't perfect but it's just about shifting the weight at that point in time and does not always reflect training form or weight. Plus if going lower meant his knees hurt or don't feel right he shouldn't force it as it'll bite back when he's older.
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you have to have farcebook I think, but if you do, well worth seeing what the quadmeister is lifting, have the sound up high though!