Rule on restarts

Having observed that some people do not understand the league rules on restarts, I thought it was worth reposting them here - again.

The commonly misunderstood ones are:

A player does not have to tap-out in the centre after a goal, eg if a goalie dabbed whilst failing to stop a goal

The conceding team can cross after 2 scoring team players have returned to their own goal area but all 3 scoring team players must return to their own goal area before they can play the ball

The scoring team can cross after any conceding player crosses, as long as they have first returned to their goal area.

I would also like to see the following rule added:

Once a goal has been scored, and called by the ref, the scoring team must not touch the ball again until they have been back to their own goal area, and the conceding team has crossed, except where the ball has ricoched across half-court without being touched by the conceding team.

From the league rules

After a goal is scored/resetting the game

• The scoring team is the team that has just scored a goal.
  

• The conceding team is the team that has just allowed a goal to the opposing team.

• In case of the ball ricocheting from the goal past half court, the conceding team must possess the ball before scoring team can possess it. The ref can instruct for the ball be passed back across half court

• After a goal is scored, the scoring team must return to their own goal area and cannot come back across center court until the ball or any player of the conceding team has come past center court.

• The conceding team takes possession of the ball. No conceding player with or without the ball can then pass half court until at least two players of the scoring team have returned to their goal area, one of these players can be a ‘goalie’ who was already in the goal area. In the case of the scoring team taking undue time returning to their goal, the referee can call ‘game on’. Likewise, in the case of the conceding team taking undue time taking the ball past half court, the ref can call ‘game on’.

• A player is not required to tap out for a foot-down after a goal has been scored but must return to their goal area.

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why do you need to add that rule?

also, as far as I understand, we can't change the rules mid-season, as it's not fair in relation to games already played to have been played under different rules.

can you give an example of where that rule would be necessary?

Not suggesting that we change the rule now.

I think the rule change is neccessary because the restart is an excellent opportunity for the conceding team to get good position - but if the scoring team knock the ball away from the conceding team, then it gives them time to get back in defense.

had never thought of that, good point. but if the ball is in their half and none of their players have cross half-court, they can move the ball to wherever they want and the other team cannot enter their half.

Yeah, I am talking about immediately after a goal is scored, when the scoring team is still in the wrong half. Sometimes you will see members of the scoring team knock the ball back, as they pass it on their way to their own d.

yes, i do that from time to time, but generally only if it's looking like it's going to cross into the wrong half.

do people do it maliciously?

Bill, I'm agree with you we should cahnge the rules, and as well as include the rule you propose I change this rule:

After a goal is scored, the scoring team must return to their own goal area and cannot come back across center court until the ball or any player of the conceding team has come past center court.
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After a goal is scored, the scoring team must return to their own **half **and cannot come back across center court until the ball or any player of the conceding team has come past center court.

yes rik, agreed, I think it would be good if we play how the rest of europe play.

And N.America, I found myself riding all the way back wth no need to

yeah,maybe it's time england caught up with the rest of the world.

After a goal is scored, the scoring team must return to their own **half **and cannot come back across center court until the ball or any player of the conceding team has come past center court.

I'm mostly +1 on this. But not mid-league.

of course no in mid-league, but we could star using it on throw-ins games

so, to stop a quick counter attack, after scoring you could hang around in the opponents half until your two team mates were in good defensive positions, within your half, then cross the half way line and wait just within your own half for just scored on team to attack?

personally i would like all 6 players to be withing their own Ds before play resumes, so each goal was clearly defined by a passage of play. Other wise quick goal retaliation could become quite messy on small courts such as downham.

From the league rules

After a goal is scored/resetting the game

[]The scoring team is the team that has just scored a goal.
[]The conceding team is the team that has just allowed a goal to the opposing team.

[]In case of the ball ricocheting from the goal past half court, the conceding team must possess the ball before scoring team can possess it. The ref can instruct for the ball be passed back across half court
[]After a goal is scored, the scoring team must return to their own goal area and cannot come back across center court until the ball or any player of the conceding team has come past center court.
[*]The conceding team takes possession of the ball. No conceding player with or without the ball can then pass half court until at least two players of the scoring team have returned to their goal area, one of these players can be a ‘goalie’ who was already in the goal area. *In the case of the scoring team taking undue time returning to their goal, the referee can call ‘game on’. Likewise, in the case of the conceding team taking undue time taking the ball past half court, the ref can call ‘game on’.*
[*]A player is not required to tap out for a foot-down after a goal has been scored but must return to their goal area.

so, to stop a quick counter attack, after scoring you could hang around in the opponents half until your two team mates were in good defensive positions, within your half, then cross the half way line and wait just within your own half for just scored on team to attack?
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According to the rules, not really.

I agree with

personally i would like all 6 players to be withing their own Ds before play resumes, so each goal was clearly defined by a passage of play. Other wise quick goal retaliation could become quite messy on small courts such as downham.

which is why I've always included a full return to goal area in any rules I've written. But I acknowledge that the rest of the world plays the half court rule which in my view could open the potential to penalize the team that was just scored on even more.

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which is why I've always included a full return to goal area in any rules I've written. But I acknowledge that the rest of the world plays the half court rule which in my view could open the potential to penalize the team that was just scored on even more.

im sure we've talked about this before seems really familiar...

+1 i prefer the full D return to restart the play.

...the good thing about the half court rule is that the play continues quicker.

;1184279']But I acknowledge that the rest of the world plays the half court rule which in my view could open the potential to penalize the team that was just scored on even more.

Surely the team that just scored is also more at risk, as the conceeding team can also 'chase' them back to their own goal, so they don't have time to get into a defensive position.

I prefer D return, but still think we should switch to 1/2 court rules.

its a good one to throw out there early before we host the quallies... may we could put a poll once this has been discussed a bit more?

should we have a vote on whether or not this poll will be binding?

should we have a vote on whether or not this poll will be binding?

MeeoOOOWWWW!

yeah,maybe it's time england caught up with the rest of the world.

I actually like the rules the way they are - with the addition that I described.

I think the rest of the world should change to our rules, but that's like expecting them to change to driving on the left.

We should definitely play the quali tourney to whatever rules the Euros themselves are going to played under.

if more people say what they think about this, I will not mind to have a votation and star playing the throw-in with the new two rules

And I agree with Bill, we should play the qualies with whatever rules the Euros are going to be played. And if they have a different dimension goals or if they are netted, we should do it too. The more similar set up to the Euros the easier will be in Geneve

+1 on playing the quallies in as similar a way to the actual thing as possible.

I'm all up for swapping to the half court rule, As for time wasting with people waiting to go back to their own half, this is exactly the same as the current returning to the goal rule.

Rupert, I agree that both teams resetting to the D before either team can play would be nice and gives a clear defined reset but as it's very different to the way the rest of the world plays, as such I think it would be a bad idea for London to adopt it into our ruleset.

But if we all think it's a better way to play, shouldn't we stick to it regardless?

I'm not fussed, I like returning to the D for a good natter and re-group, but don't hate the idea of faster-flowing games.

Not necessarily Jono, though it may be a sound idea in theory that doesn't mean it's the right way to play.

If the rest of Europe/America plays half court then I would say it's better to adopt that for our games. Firstly, it means that we are more used to the rule sets that are used in international tournaments, there have been a number of incidents where, in a tournament, a London player has returned to the D which has allowed the other team an advantage. Secondly, I personally thing that anything which takes us a step closer to a unified set of rules across the world is a good thing.