Dedacciai Zero Uno -vs- Reynolds 631

Yo,
I'm looking at either a Bob Jackson or a Orlowski frame, does anyone know whether there is a significant difference in the weight between the bj reynolds 631 and the orl Dedacciai Zero Uno???

Thanks a lot :-)
Ty
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you would need to find the specs of the tubeset. doesn't zero uno replace eom-16? therefore it's their top end tubeset? the zero is often shaped with a bigger down tube at the bb area and the stays have a triangular to round profile, i guess they will make traditional round version too?

my choice would be the deda, a friend has a rourke built from the oversize tubeset and it's a very light stiff frame but still comfortable.

i presume the reynolds will be lugged? and the deda tigged? the deda will be lighter if so.

the zero uno is the lower end tubeset made from 25cromo4...

**http://www.dedacciai.net/eng-frame-cycle-technology/cycle-tubes-frame-home.php

Dedi 16.5 - Exceptionally light top-of-the-line tube set. Best suited for road frames.

Dedi 14.5 - Designed specifically by Dedacciai for compact frames.

Dedi Zero - Large selection of tubes available allows the builder to highly customize this tubeset. Not recommended for riders over 175 pounds.

Deddi Zero Uno - Heavier gauge set designed for exceptionally sturdy frames. Large selection of round tubes.
**

hippy won...

ah i didn't realise that, they have recently changed the lineup from com12-sat14-eom16
it now seems a bit more confusing!

Here's some specs for tubing options..
http://www.strongframes.com/material_tech/specs/

http://www.strongframes.com/downloads/Tubing2006.pdf (PDF)

not much in it then!

so the zero uno is equivalent to reynolds 525? i really don't need the added strength of 631 so the deciding factor should be weight i suppose? any ideas on weight difference anyone?

so the zero uno is equivalent to reynolds 525? i really don't need the added strength of 631 so the deciding factor should be weight i suppose? any ideas on weight difference anyone?

It's quite possible that rather than draw the tubes for extra strength, Reynolds draw the tubes for the same strength, but at a lower weight than 525 (or equivalents).
Differences in construction techniques (lugs/TIG etc) will also affect the weight. I'd ask the builders for ballpark weights. I also suspect there'll not be a huge difference...

The Orlowski are 1.8-1.9kg and the Bob Jackson are estimated at 4lb which is 1.8kg too.

Now I am in the throes of a moral quandry, the last guy i spoke to at bob jackson was a prick but the one i just rang was really helpful and nice; brick lane bikes are always dickheads but jacek orlowski himself is super nice by e-mail so now i dunno what to do!

i may just go for the orlowski, i think the polish economy needs all the help it can get :-/

I have an Orlowski, its pretty light and feels real nice and solid.

I would say its on a par with BJ, down to personal preference!

Yo, one day you might get a lovely guy at BJ, another time you might get a grumpy sod. They're all hairy arsed frame builders/painters from Yorkshire, it's what makes them great!

The Orlowski are 1.8-1.9kg and the Bob Jackson are estimated at 4lb which is 1.8kg too.

Now I am in the throes of a moral quandry, the last guy i spoke to at bob jackson was a prick but the one i just rang was really helpful and nice; brick lane bikes are always dickheads but jacek orlowski himself is super nice by e-mail so now i dunno what to do!

i may just go for the orlowski, i think the polish economy needs all the help it can get :-/

I weighted my Bob Jackson recently, it about 1,870kg, just to confirm the weight is correct.

id much prefer a custom bob jackson over an orlowski!
but thats personal preference
and a big of english pride

Buy British, BJ have been around for a while and repair/replace if there's any cock-ups

The Orlowski are 1.8-1.9kg and the Bob Jackson are estimated at 4lb which is 1.8kg too.

Now I am in the throes of a moral quandry, the last guy i spoke to at bob jackson was a prick but the one i just rang was really helpful and nice; brick lane bikes are always dickheads but jacek orlowski himself is super nice by e-mail so now i dunno what to do!

i may just go for the orlowski, i think the polish economy needs all the help it can get :-/

What about a Witcomb? They're now made in Wales. Well in theory they are, not sure if they've moved yet, or what state the company is now in.

Witcomb have been tainted with bad juju.

Im heading up to londres on Sunday to get the orlowski :-)

love yr avatar deadjoe. ha ha.

Im heading up to londres on Sunday to get the orlowski :-)

Would be my choice too.

I got a 49cm blue Orlowski and some black non-machined deep-v's from brick lane.

Everyone there were actually really nice, nothing like the fire breathing dragons i was expecting!