Recommend a protein supplement?

Can anyone recommend any decent value protein supplement brands? For weight gain? There are just so many brands around and it being just a load of powder it's hard to tell the difference really. And it's pricey too, so I'd hate to waste my time and money on the wrong stuff.

Oh, and my diet is all good as it is, it's just a limit to how much chick peas, tuna etc I can stuff down a day.

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PM Crazyjames, he's pretty clued up on things like this.

PhD and Reflex do some quality powders. Try www.extremesupplements.co.uk. Or if you want to buy bulk go to www.myprotein.co.uk...

SciMX is tasty and mixes well with water, choc favour is best. Maximuscle is expensive and doesn't taste as nice. holland & barrett own brand is horrible, stay clear.

Basically your looking for the ratio of protein and carbs per serving. More protein for muscle growth, more carbs for weight.

A nice alternative which I use is a banana & peanut butter milk shake, although the levels of carbs and pro aren't as high as purchased pro shakes (I drink this as weigh isn't great for the digestive system, I burb like a mofo).

One large glass of Soya milk Original
One large banana
One large table spoon of smooth peanut butter (large peanut butter tubs for a fiver from whole foods)
A drizzle of honey/syrup
A shake of cinemon.

Bland it up and it's delish.

i get up and eat 4 weetabix and some toast(7am ish, ) then at 11am i'll pop over to Snax to east a hot chicken meal with wedges and peppers, then at 3pm i'll eat another snack (cake or something) then at 7pm when i get home i'll eat another hot meal which usually includes yet more meat in the form of sausages burgers eggs and so on and i'll continually east toast with jam all night, cos im always fucking hungry.

thing is im borderline underweight for my height. Am i normal ? or just a pig ?
my girlfriend seems to think i have tape worm, which i don't. i literally eat 5 times more than her.
When i think about it its ridiculous.

point being that i was thinking that a protein/carb shake might be more time efficient, than cooking and eating and buying food all the time.

what are you bodybuilders? you need this stuff? what ever happened to proper nutrition?

yep a protein/carb shake might be about the same, cos to be honest, what you are listing as a normal days diet sounds pretty nutritionally bankrupt to me. about the same as those powder mixes.

bare in mind folks, that weight gain, without doing lifting of heavy (for your strength) weights, is not healthy as it will be fat not muscle. you CANNOT gain muscle just by drinking shakes.. dont be fooled by the hype or type on the packets.

truth is, it is very hard for a normal person to not get enough protein in their diets on a daily basis. even people who eat loads of shit all day will get enough protein to enable muscle growth. however this muscle growth will only occur if the muscles are worked hard...

a major problem in peoples diets is not lack of protein but too much fat. out of the pie chart of carbs, fat and protein that a person consumes in a day, the ideal percentages IN TERMS OF CALORIES CONSUMED is 80carbs 10fat 10protein. for example if your daily calories is 3000 then you need to be having 2400 calories of carbs, 300 calories of fat and 300 of protein. Dont get this confused, this isnt about grams, but about percentage of calories. oh and by the way, the 80% carbs is a minimum.

too much fat ion the diet can over time conspire to give you all kinds of health issues. all the way from minor to major ones. and just cos you aint obese doesnt mean your body fat count isnt too high.

this is a real simplification of a real complex set of systems. but basically, slimness or weight is not always a very accurate indicator of good health. nor is a six pack.

nutrition is a minefield. your gp dont know squat about it just in case you think to ask. have a think about what our bodies were designed to feed on. read up on some of this stuff and eat your fucking greens. more of them...

oh and go for the recipe that chebeef suggested but instead of one banana, go for 5 or 6, and instead of soya milk, just put water in it. everyone reckons its gonna be gross, but when they try it, they change their minds.

put some fresh greens in like spinach and its even better. (not rocket, too bitter).. make sure the bananas are nice and ripe, with the skins going black and its so sweet you dont need syrup.

and lastly, sorry to anyone who gets annoyed by this or thinks im out of line or talking shit. ive argued about diet and weight and food before on this forum and im not about to do it again. good luck

peas.

I need a fat burner, can anyone advise on a super fast Creatine that wil do 1kgsa day ;o)))

There is a limit to how much protein your body can actually use, based on recovery times etc even if you are lifting tonnes of iron.

Plus youd be surprised how much protein can be gained from everday plant based staples. Broccoli & rice etc it all adds up.

Great concentrated sources of protein are nuts/peanut butter & dairy.

These are great as they also give you a lot of healthy fat. The amount of calories you need for muscle gains is faaaar more difficult than getting enough protein for which you dont even have to try.

Just eat a lot of good food and youll be fine. Increase number of meals to about 5 a day. Use either olive or nut oil liberally.

You do not need supplements. They are useful if you have severely limited time and availability of good food. But for 99% people, nope.

Pm me if you want more info.

Beef. Tasty, nutritious and full of protein.

Soya and peanuts indeed!

I appreciate what you are both saying, fannypack and whatfriends, but how many grams of protein a day are we talking about here chaps? do you actually manage to get much over 60 grammes daily from food alone? I am struggling around that mark and that's even with a diet where I am trying to specifically max on protein --> milk, fish, fowl, rice, pasta, other sorts of diary, beans, chick peas etc etc etc

Has no one mentioned a sperm moustache ?

There is a limit to how much protein your body can actually use, based on recovery times etc even if you are lifting tonnes of iron.

racisit

Has no one mentioned a sperm moustache ?

I didnt know you where into your bukakee ;o)))

do you actually manage to get much over 30 grammes daily from food alone?

yep, a chicken breast (3.5 oz) - 30 grams protein.

There is a limit to how much protein your body can actually use, based on recovery times etc even if you are lifting tonnes of iron.

yep

Plus youd be surprised how much protein can be gained from everday plant based staples. Broccoli & rice etc it all adds up.

yep

Great concentrated sources of protein are nuts/peanut butter & dairy.

they are concentrated but not neccesarily great. its too easy to eat too much fat.

These are great as they also give you a lot of healthy fat.

too much fat of any type healthy or unhealthy is ultimately unhealthy.

The amount of calories you need for muscle gains is faaaar more difficult than getting enough protein for which you dont even have to try.

yep

Just eat a lot of good food and youll be fine. Increase number of meals to about 5 a day.

yep

Use either olive or nut oil liberally.

there isnt need for this. you would be simply upping your calories but in fat and not carbs. its not very efficiant for the body to metabloize fat, why not provide it with the easier to metabolize carbs...?

You do not need supplements. They are useful if you have severely limited time and availability of good food. But for 99% people, nope.

yep if you mean wieght gain supplements. other types, though not a substitute for correct nutrition, can play a valuble role in helping people shift the balance from poor to good health, and can also help to emotionally empower people and help them take charge of their life. however, this is another minefield and so my opinion is only do it with proper research/guidance. for example if you apparently have an iron deficiancy yet have a good diet with plenty of fresh greens, perhaps meat and grains, do you take an iron supplement? maybe you dont need extra iron but to look at why your body isnt utilising the iron its already being provided with. do you see what im getting at? you get a puncture, an air defficiancy in your tyre, more air isnt gonna help. you gotta fix the hole right? sorry, im tired rambling and porbably need to quit it now.

DFP is on the right track here, just be wary of the fat thing. terms like good and bad or healthy and unhealthy fats, and good health are hard to quantify and fully explain. and probably not best gone into on a forum. i think people should listen to the info, and do a little research themselves, and make up their own minds.

sorry for the spelling mistakes and shabby quoting, im too tired for this. goodnight.

im not talking about grams of anything. percentage of calories. thats the ticket..

and why are you trying to max on protein? protein alone wont make you gain weight. you need to push weights, lift heavy stuff etc. thats how you gain weight that isnt fat. and you probably, in fact definately get enough protein in your diet for this already. you dont need shakes, you need heavy weights. ftw.

or a sperm moustache.

Has no one mentioned a sperm moustache ?

yea yea hold your horses, i was gettin to that bit.

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yep, a chicken breast (3.5 oz) - 30 grams protein.

yeah, my bad.
rechecked my notes. I manage about 60 grams average a day at the mo.

to go beyond that I am curious about powders. of course for example two pints of milk and two chicken breasts every day and we be getting somewhere, but there are always those crappy food days that drags it all down again...

er, what makes anyone think I'd bother starting this thread as well as anally go trough my diet if I wasn't already lifting weights?
that said, all responses are much appreciated ;-)

I appreciate what you are both saying, fannypack and whatfriends, but how many grams of protein a day are we talking about here chaps? do you actually manage to get much over 30 grammes daily from food alone? I am struggling around that mark and that's even with a diet where I am trying to specifically max on protein --> milk, fish, fowl, rice, pasta, other sorts of diary, beans, chick peas etc etc etc

I manage about 150g on a 'vegetarian' day

much higher on carnivorous days.

you clearly eat like a bird.

er, what makes anyone think I'd bother starting this thread as well as anally go trough my diet if I wasn't already lifting weights?
that said, all responses are much appreciated ;-)

cos lots of people dont lift them and think that magic powders are gonna turn them into a beast. plus you didnt mention you were training already. apologies.

also bear inmind that when training to build muscle, ou can either train hard or train long. you cant do both, you body and biology wont allow it for very long and if you do, you'll get nowhere. like DFP touched on earlier, recovery times is where its at.

check out mike mentzers high intensity ideas. based on fact and science and not body building media nonsense.

seriously though, i gotta sleep..night.

I manage about 150g on a 'vegetarian' day.

yikes! if I could manage that we'd be getting somewhere.

I've just been trying to work this out.
ok... two pints of milk 40 grams taken care of...
half a bread perhaps? another 40 grams...
tins of chick peas? 15 g each... two of these? then we're at 110g..
then some pasta at ca. 10% protein? quite a few portions it must be.... fuck this is a lot in total....
yeah if you ever feel like PM'ing me some of your magic it'd be much appreciated,

yeah Whatfriends, time to go to bed for me too. thanks tho :)