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I had an email notification that jar had posted saying 1st dibs on the 53, but strangely I'm not seeing the post... however I have the email, so for the moment it's 2nd dibs to dfp on the 53 until I hear back from jar.
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Regarding the crimes against frame-anity, I have to confess to having knowledge of a similar offence - someone else had SuperTed at LFG remove all the spurious braze-ons (front gear hanger, gear lever bosses and the rear brake channel), remove the existing rear brake bridge and replace it with one with no brake hole, re-space the rear to 120mm and braze track ends on for £100 (not incl. the ends), just as a guide. I couldn't possibly condone such activity of course...
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^ jar, sorry, just read your request properly, can you let me know by tomorrow morning? cheers, H
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I believe Retro is referring to me and these!.....Super Ted was impressed by the quality of the frame and the workmanship that went into making it....the paintjob is by Armourtex.....I recommend the frame, ST's workmanship and Armourtex's finish.
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54cm sold pending payment/collection, 53cm 1st dibs rar, 2nd dibs dfp.
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Sadly (for you) you can't build a frame that large from Genius - it's VERY thin-walled and once the tubes get that long prone to flex/failure taking likely weight of rider needing that size into consideration. I think Masciaghi/Coppi did do some bigger sizes in the oddly named Brain tubeset which is tougher (but heavier). 57 is the biggest I've seen Genius go, and not recommended for pie-lovers!
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I believe Retro is referring to me and these!.....Super Ted was impressed by the quality of the frame and the workmanship that went into making it....the paintjob is by Armourtex.....I recommend the frame, ST's workmanship and Armourtex's finish.
why didn't you add a glitter finish? would look fantastic (much nicer and shinier than metallic).
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I don't know the BB height off the top of my head, but I will stick some wheels back on it later today and get the ruler out - thanks for the update.
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Hey dfp, in answer to your question, BB height should be about 27cm, standover height approx 79.5cm, exact measurements will depend on choice of track ends and how they are aligned with the frame. The Paul ends that Marxist used are very slim and would possibly lower this very slightly, others (e.g. those cut from plate) tend to be wider and would not tend to reduce this at all. Worth asking about stainless steel ones IMO, look very tasty and don't mark as easily or rust (obviously) - don't know how compatible they are with this tubing though. Cheers H.
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Hey dfp, in answer to your question, BB height should be about 27cm, standover height approx 79.5cm, exact measurements will depend on choice of track ends and how they are aligned with the frame. The Paul ends that Marxist used are very slim and would possibly lower this very slightly, others (e.g. those cut from plate) tend to be wider and would not tend to reduce this at all. Worth asking about stainless steel ones IMO, look very tasty and don't mark as easily or rust (obviously) - don't know how compatible they are with this tubing though. Cheers H.
SuperTed said that because the geometry on the frame was very tight there was no scope to increase the BB height by slightly bending the chainstay upwards as would be the case on a frame with a more relaxed geometry....Hence with Paul trackends the BB is either the same or a few mm shorter.....hope this helps.
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why didn't you add a glitter finish? would look fantastic (much nicer and shinier than metallic).
Glitter would tarnish my utilitarian credentials and be ever so bourgeois....so it had to be working class metallic!
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Retro: In building my frame up...i found the seat tube to be 27mm and not 27.2mm.....just thought i would let you know and i have sent you a pm!
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I refer the honourable gentleman to the point made in my description above: "all the vital bits will need chasing and reaming and the steerer is uncut, as this was all left to the end of the process or the bike shop doing the build-up" - i.e. the frames are definitely designed for a 27.2mm seat pin but they need reaming before use, which I pointed out when you collected your frame. This is best done after painting as residue from the finishing process may find its way into the tube. The 55 frame I have has been reamed, which cleaned up the clamping collar specifically, and a 27.2mm pin fits perfectly.
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Due to dfp's recent coup on eBay, the 53cm frame is now officially back on the market. Note that after revisiting with the tape measure, turns out it has a 54cm top tube, so for the record it's 53cm CtC seat tube, 54cm CtC top tube, 27.2mm seat pin, Italian BB, 1" steerer.
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For Sale: Fausto Coppi Genius race framesets
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Here's something for roadies - I have an unpainted Coppi branded 53x54cm race frame from the late 90's, about the time that Masciaghi, one of the many great unknown Italian manufacturers, acquired the rights to use the Coppi brand and decided to go racing. They collaborated with Giovanni Pelizzoli from Ciocc to produce some really special high-end race frames used by some top riders and teams of the day. Sadly for this particular design, around then the good old UCI decided to ban seat stays that didn't join the seat tube at the top tube, so a small batch that had been through the frame shop were consigned to a dusty corner of the factory... until recently.
Main feature is the very high-end Columbus Genius tubeset, and if you're doubtful about the tubes, how many steel frames of any size weigh in at just 1.64kg? Also, very nice fillet brazed joints at headtube and seat cluster, with a cast/lugged bottom bracket (with the Coppi logo on top and the Masciaghi one underneath). Comes with matching full chrome fork with Coppi engraved on crowns. The rusty appearance is just surface patina, just needs a rub down or quick bead blast to make ready for paint. Very close tolerance race frame, the rough assembly in the pic used a 25mm tyre and clearance was minimal, obviously designed for 23s or smaller. Comes with a full set of transfers including the Columbus Genius stickers for frame and fork, but personally I don't think the 90's Coppi graphics were very attractive and apart from maybe the head badge transfer I would give 'em a miss, or get the simpler old style ones.
I still have one frame left 53cm seat tube and 54cm top tube C2C, weighs 1.64kg without fork. Italian BB. 27.2cm seat pin, 130mm rear spacing with (short) 45º drop-outs, braze-ons for double bottle cages and front mech, downtube gear bosses. The rear brake cable is internally run. Although unpainted the frame is fully prepped with all chasing and reaming done, ready to paint, build and ride.
So, buy a really top quality hand-built NOS steel race frame and paint/build it up to your own taste - just like ordering a new bike! A frame of this quality would be at least £1000 in today's money. Shameless puppy-killers could get the torch out and strip the braze-ons and fit track ends, but I hardly dare mention that idea (it has been done!). I'm looking for £150 for the frame and fork. More pics available if required, will post UK for a tenner or worldwide at cost. I've added a couple of extra pics to show painted examples, including Richard Virenque scaling the Galibier on one! The pale blue one is maxl's 54x54 with paint by Colourtech, and dee Cal's 55x55 has also been to Colourtech for the full works recently.
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