32 hole hub to 16 hole rim

I did a quick search but it didnt throw up anything,so apologies if i have missed a thread that obviously awnsers this one.

I just won a set of campagnolo vento wheels,I need to rebuild the rear wheel for fixed,the rims are 16 hole and i have a 32 hole phil rear hub spare,I have been told it is possible to lace 32 to a 16 rim but my query is, is it advisable to do so? or shall i just track down a 16 hole hub Im itching to get riding again but I dont want to do this build half arsed.

thanks in advance

balls wrong sub forum,sorry

i have a 32 hole phil rear hub spare,

Flash git ;)

jos had this on his race bike at smithfield ;)

give roberto a call, he has a few low spoke count royce hubs kicking around

thanks,yeahit was jos who mentioned it can be done that way,slightly concered it may look a bit odd,as im assuming it just involves using every other hole on the hub?

or get your drill out and make some more holes in the rim ;)

You can put spokes in the empty holes and weave them around the other spokes to create a dreamcatcher wheel.. sheldon did it.

otherwise im looking at custom drilled phils i guess?is there anyone other track hubs that offer custom drilled?as after a bit of hnting icant see anyone one offering 16 hole rear fixed hubs.

I looked into this a while ago and remember that Miche did apparently do a 16 hole hub but I never managed to find one. Some shop in Australia had them listed but out of stock. Also Mack (custom I think) and American Classics, or, obviously, but also obviously super rare, campag (shamal track specific I presume).

I also looked into the whole 16 rim 32 hub deal and remember a couple of warnings one of which involved some sort of problem with alternating stress which involved some sort of XoxO style explanation and pics of cracked flanges, and also the whole 'less spokes = more stress = don't drill more than you have to' explanation which made more sense to my non wheel building brain. Of course there are also loads of "I weigh 20 stone and ride down hills on a 16/32 setup" stories which would imply that it is totally fine. I don't have personal experience so can't support either side. That said, I do know track hubs on the street get a hell of a stressful time compared to freewheels or even track hubs at the track. (Campy track hubs notoriously had street problems anyway - again no experience of it myself.)

Anyway... Radial laced hubs are under a lot more sress than cross laced ones so, if you are going to go for it, it would seem that recomendations would be for a cross/cross lacing as opposed to the cross/radial set-up which the wheels come with as standard.

Unless you know what you are doing before embarking on the build get a few quotes from some reputable wheel builders - say Paul Hewitt in Leeds, (monty?) at Condor, Harry Rowland... whoever and if one of them says I'll do it and the other two say no f'in way, sell the phil and get a custom drill; if a rear shamal is that big a deal it has got to be worth the extra £50 right?

Man, I love a long winded answer.

Ive laced a 36hole hub to a 27 hole rim and it's absolutely fine, they're strong and they're really light..they're Campag Khamsin wheels which were an absolute bargain and to be honest I'll put up with the "Unipak" wheel jibes to have a good set of wheels for £100!! Do it man, they'll be fine!!

Just make sure your spoke and hub division works out...32/16=2 so you're laughing!

thanks,yeah i think i found that aus shop i mailed them but under the impression its not actually in stock,a guy in us said his local was doing a phil group buy so i may get in o that for a custom drill set,I still need to find a nice 32h rear rim for everyday use Im hoping the campag atlantas i spoke with a guy on here about come through but its gone a bit quite.just want to get built and get riding now.

Phil's are going to be stronger than campag track hubs so it probably would be fine, but still, a £100ish back wheel dismantled, the spokes aren't going to fit so plus 16 new aero spokes is gonna be £32, a phil rear is £170 or something. Plus a build if you don't do it yourself, what's that, another £20 at least. If I was going to get a +£300 back wheel....
I've never seen a bit of campag anywhere near a unipack, so do they have funny laced wheels then, what's that about? If they want to be more aero couldn't they just get someone who isn't incompetent to do the welding?

id expect the phil to run me about £150 for front and rear from usa,wheel set on reflection was a bit impulse buy, but saying that i saw a set of vento rims go for £240 a couple days before so not to bad price,il see what the sets like when it arrives tomo the fronts ready to roll so i can rebuild that as and when.gone a bit part mad on this build should have done a proper list before i started

thanks,yeah i think i found that aus shop i mailed them but under the impression its not actually in stock,a guy in us said his local was doing a phil group buy so i may get in o that for a custom drill set,I still need to find a nice 32h rear rim for everyday use Im hoping the campag atlantas i spoke with a guy on here about come through but its gone a bit quite.just want to get built and get riding now.

If Oz doesn't work out I hope that group order comes through in budget. If everyone wants 16's should be a good bit cheaper I'd imagine.

And, with a bit of luck, you're gonna build some atlantas up! That must be quite a whip. (I saw a pair with kn@ckered hubs go unsold on ebay with a £45 starting price, I stupidly missed them but, I suppose they may come up again.)

Best of luck with it.

yeah i saw that,nearly bid but was unsure how they would clean up and it was the 32h rear i really wanted.guess they may re appear on ebay soon, the guy who told me about the group buy said custom drill was about 20$ extra or some thing, not to bad if its only way to get a 16h hub and it would last forever.

I've never seen a bit of campag anywhere near a unipack, so do they have funny laced wheels then, what's that about? If they want to be more aero couldn't they just get someone who isn't incompetent to do the welding?

http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/wheelsdetail/item_Khamsin_catid_10.jsp

They are OTP Campag road wheels albeit cheaper ones and I just changed the rear hub...same as stephen's planning to do

mail from aus in my inbox this morn,16h miche hubset in stock so thats a plus waiting to hear back on if they will ship international now.

or just use a 32 hole hub and lace every 2nd hole.

yeas that is plan b, i think id rather to 16h if i can get the hubs

why?

cheaper - no
easier to get - no
weaker - no

ok,well the info prior hadnt exactly been 100% favorable in doing it and having not done it myself before hand i didnt want to waste time/money building something that could damage the parts for the sake of not buying the right hub for the job.

i said at the start jos rode at the smithfield crit on them, in the rain and he's what 14 stone. fuck, shall i wipe your arse as well?!?

dogsalls - is that £10 per rim or do you charge per pair?