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that chinese police uniform is a tad casual
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He look like he had just confiscated that from a small child!
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why say "fuck the olympics" when this has nothing to do with the olympics, and everything to do with the chinese occupation of tibet?
why not say "fuck the chinese occupation of tibet" or "fuck the protesters who are using the olympics to grandstand their own political causes" or "fuck the po-lice and their authoritarian mind controlling ways, maaan".
or something, whatever...
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i wonder if wheels feels the same way ... :/ ?
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why say "fuck the olympics" when this has nothing to do with the olympics, and everything to do with the chinese occupation of tibet?
why not say "fuck the chinese occupation of tibet" or "fuck the protesters who are using the olympics to grandstand their own political causes" or "fuck the po-lice and their authoritarian mind controlling ways, maaan".
or something, whatever...
I think most people understand the issues when we say fuck the Olympics.
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I think most people understand the issues when we say fuck the Olympics.
well, what are they?
cost? inconvenience? most cities are happy when they score the olympics. why is london so hell-bent on complaining about it?
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Did London have a "Bread not Circuses" organization before winning the Olympics? One can be opposed to the Olympics as a municipal nightmare.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2006/12/19/qc-olympicstadium.html
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well, what are they?
cost? inconvenience? most cities are happy when they score the olympics. why is london so hell-bent on complaining about it?
I think I spoke too soon when I said 'I think most people understand the issues when we say fuck the Olympics.'
No one is complaining about 'scoring' the Olympics.
The demonstrations are about China's appalling human rights violations and in particular the recent crack down on pro-Tibet demonstrators, they have everything to do with Chinese police and military opening fire with automatic rifles into a crowd of Tibetan monks and absolutely nothing to do with London hosting the 2012 games.
Did you think It was odd watching all those Tibetan protesters demonstrating about London hosting the 2012 Olympics ? ;)
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I think most people understand the issues when we say fuck the Olympics, except, perhaps, for you ! ;P
No one is complaining about 'scoring' the Olympics.
The demonstrations are about China's appalling human rights violations and in particular the recent crack down on pro-Tibet demonstrators.
yes, mate, which is exactly what i originally pointed out! i'm no fan of china's human rights record, but that's not a reason to criticise the olympic movement, it's a reason to criticise the chinese government. having a wall of police protecting the olympic torch provides just as much publicity to the tibetan cause as does having a tibetan activist covering himself in blood and lying in the street.
and let's face it the government acceptance of political protest and civil liberties in this country (and in my own country) was in a pretty shit state before the torch rolled through... i think it's unfair to blame a phalanx of coppers jogging through london on the olympic movement.
if anything the fact of the olympics being held in beijing brings extra attention to china's shocking record.
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the issue of london not embracing their own olympics is a distinct, but i feel interesting, diversion.
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:)
subtle.
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yes, mate, which is exactly what i originally pointed out! i'm no fan of china's human rights record, but that's not a reason to criticise the olympic movement, it's a reason to criticise the chinese government.
The protests are a criticism of the Chinese government, not the Olympic movement.
If (during the 1980s) we place an embargo on buying oranges from South Africa, are we attempting to bring pressure on the South African government or sending out a message that their actions are not acceptable, or are we angry at oranges ?
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Oranges. Every time. They leave white on your fingers when you peel them, and dry the skin. And the pips, bloody annoying.
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and they always manage to squirt their juice directly in to your eyes..
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The protests are a criticism of the Chinese government, not the Olympic movement.
yes, so why is this thread titled "Fuck the Olympics"? ;)
If (during the 1980s) we place an embargo on buying oranges from South Africa, are we attempting to bring pressure on the South African government or sending out a message that their actions are not acceptable, or are we angry at oranges ?
entirely valid point. but the olympics are bigger (and are arguably a better force for positive outcomes) than oranges. sure, there's a bit of corruption involved, but on the whole i think that if there is an attempt to make the chinese clean their house through global negative attention focused on them by the olympics... then good. let's face it, the tibetans haven't had such a good PR opportunity for decades!
we're basically agreeing with each other.
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and i'm going to stop buying chinese oranges.
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they're not oranges - they're mandarins...
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Was it a forumenger loitering behind Emily wotsit at the O2 during the beeb's live news OB a couple of hours ago?
Young lady white frame many spoke cards and a Tibet flag.
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that sounds alot like Minh ai...she did mention something about a protest...and she does have a white bike...ha! :)
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It was fun today watching the Olympic procession descend into a mini police state on bicycles.
(who the fuck sized up the bike for the police man on the far left below ?)