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  • Well done David! I am terrified of change though so I am ignoring my laptop and browsing familiarity on my phone.

  • Dvorak keyboards only.

  • You do it for a living doesn't mean you know what you're talking about, clearly.

    I suggest you do some reading. Might as well start here:
    http://csswizardry.com/2011/01/the-real-html5-boilerplate/

    The first thing you need to do with html5 boilerplate is delete most of it.
    You would only go keep all the crap they throw in there if you a) do not know who your customers are and what your target browsers are, b) what your content delivery and hosting platforms are, c) what you actually want on your website, d)what HTML, CSS and JavaScript you will need to achieve that, and e) how to make a fast and efficient website or web application.

    Make no mistake, Html5 boilerplate, Modernizr, and other libraries of that ilk get in the way of good web development, rather than enable it.

    I'd delete even more than is suggested in that article. Far too much in that reset CSS that you will never need.

    There. And I didn't resort to personal insults either.

  • Well done...loving the new format

  • Make no mistake, Html5 boilerplate, Modernizr, and other libraries of that ilk get in the way of good web development, rather than enable it.

    You basically proved my point. I suspect you're just resistant to new standards that are tried and tested, like many technical managers that I've worked with. You probably don't like any libraries, at like to write everything from the ground up.

    Good luck with that.

  • Well done David! I am terrified of change though so I am ignoring my laptop and browsing familiarity on my phone.

    It's changed on phones too.

  • Velocio,

    Any chance we could have a menu bar at the bottom of the page as well as the top? That way I would not have to scroll all the way back to the top to get back to my subscribed threads

    Zebs

  • I'm pragmatic about these things. The code i need to write depends on what i need to achieve. Which is exactly why boilerplates are unsuitable. For example I will use jquery if it would save a lot of coding, run faster in less memory, and lots of the code would make use of it, but I wouldn't use much else. Jquery leads you into a lot of highly inefficient coding practices that stem from its use of the DOM as a data store, for example, but sometimes it's unbeatable.
    With Modernizr, you're loading a library to do what exactly? Test whether a browser supports a certain feature? You should already know what your target browsers support, and in the real world you'll only be using one or two of these things. It's invariably quicker to include only the code for those features, or simply work around it.
    With reset CSS, after your project is complete go and remove everything you're not using and you'll probably end up with a third of the CSS, if that. And then remove everything you redefined elsewhere and you'll remove half of that. And then there is the HTML itself. Do you really need all those containers? And do you need to use

    so badly that it's worth deploying a load of JavaScript and CSS just to make IE work, when you could remove it all and go back to a
    ?
    The first rule of performance websites is only deploy what you need. Boilerplates take that rule and throw it out of the window.

  • Velocio,

    Any chance we could have a menu bar at the bottom of the page as well as the top? That way I would not have to scroll all the way back to the top to get back to my subscribed threads

    Zebs

    There is a subscribed threads link at the bottom of the page now. Silly.

  • home and end keys are useful also.

  • Are you sure it's not a windows bug? I get TNR in both Firefox and IE with Windows 7 in the new message box.

    But then we've got it on both Lion and Snow leopard as well.

  • no you're a cunt

  • You don't get those keys on small macbook keyboards though. Although you do get trackpad gestures, which are rad.

  • and there has always been a link back to the top at the very bottom right

  • no you're a cunt

    Who on earth was that to and why was it necessary?

  • sorry, not to anyone in particular, it was all getting a bit TL:DR and handbags but obviously this is the right thread for that kind of chat and probably super-interesting to others.

    a misplaced outburst.

  • no you're a cunt

    I though you'd be into Macs :-)

  • it definitely wasn't to you EEI

  • awww... I actually did go back and read it, and it was interesting even though I have no idea what BQ was talking about. still, not keen on the handbags. I shut up now.

  • There is a subscribed threads link at the bottom of the page now. Silly.

    ahhh, i came here to moan about no subscribed threads link without having to go in to the menu - this has prevented the moan though.

  • It's the same sort of debate like that about that nasty abomination called Adobe Flash.

  • Ah, the iPad's stab at rendering Helvetica is an awful lot better than OS X it seems. Pretty readable, thankfully.

  • The font size selector does the job wonderfully, thanks David (I still think there's too much padding, but will trust your judgement/research).

  • On Chrome / Windows the font selector also takes you to the search page.

  • The new look is ace!
    I find it a lot clearer.
    I do have Times New Roman in my new post box too though, using Firefox on Mac OS 10.6.8
    I don't really care though....

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